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so 1997 to 2001? MS was innovating. What about from 2001 to 2006? 5 years of zero development? Big difference between Chrome and IE6. IE7 (2006 - 2009) IE

by taf2 10y ago

so 1997 to 2001? MS was innovating. What about from 2001 to 2006? 5 years of zero development? Big difference between Chrome and IE6. IE7 (2006 - 2009) IE8 (2009 - 2011) You can't seriously tell me this is comparable progress to Chrome/Mozilla/Safari? My issue with anyone equating IE6 to recent browsers is they are not comparable. It was really bad during the IE6 days and we had no alternative. Today when new features land in Chromium they are opensource, available for the Mozilla, Webkit, and IE teams to study. IE is still closed source. Whether it calls itself Edge or IE it is still a closed source browser. A closed source browser is what allowed 5 years of zero. If you want to point out privacy concerns with Chrome please run Chromium - https://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium https://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium or run Firefox. These are at least Open Source e.g. our internet is free. IE is the ultimate evil to the internet and any business that operates on the internet should remember IE is a threat because it is closed source.

lucideer 10y ago
As I already said above, I'm analogising; pointing out minor inconsistencies doesn't undermine the comparison. No two scenarios are ever identical. The post-IE6 history you're referring to is a bit moot: we have yet to see where Chrome will go. Minor factual note: the Edge engine is open-source, so your arguments for studying Chrome's implementation source applies equally to Microsoft at this stage. > IE is the ultimate evil to the internet This is straying very quickly into hyperbole. The debate about open-/closed-source somewhat misses the mark anyway. Opera (Presto) was always entirely closed-source and it did much more for the open web than most. The killer is market dominance - lack of diversity leads to bad things. And IE has long since lost its market crown.
- Manishearth 10y ago
  > the Edge engine is open-source, Only the Javascript engine is open source, fwiw. That's not the majority of the browser. (Unless EdgeHTML was open sourced since I last checked.)

by taf2 10y ago

lucideer 10y ago

As I already said above, I'm analogising; pointing out minor inconsistencies doesn't undermine the comparison. No two scenarios are ever identical. The post-IE6 history you're referring to is a bit moot: we have yet to see where Chrome will go. Minor factual note: the Edge engine is open-source, so your arguments for studying Chrome's implementation source applies equally to Microsoft at this stage. > IE is the ultimate evil to the internet This is straying very quickly into hyperbole. The debate about open-/closed-source somewhat misses the mark anyway. Opera (Presto) was always entirely closed-source and it did much more for the open web than most. The killer is market dominance - lack of diversity leads to bad things. And IE has long since lost its market crown.

Manishearth 10y ago
> the Edge engine is open-source, Only the Javascript engine is open source, fwiw. That's not the majority of the browser. (Unless EdgeHTML was open sourced since I last checked.)