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>> Are cars going to be (even more) commoditised Self driving cars as a service are much better deal for the consumer. And they'll be more commoditized[1], sam

by petra 10y ago

>> Are cars going to be (even more) commoditised Self driving cars as a service are much better deal for the consumer. And they'll be more commoditized[1], same as taxis are, from the consumer perspective. On the other hand, building the car with the highest reliability , and the lowest cost of operation , is a hard challenge. But: if electric cars are going to win, cars may become mostly batteries on wheels, so a lot of power will go to the battery companies, maybe even to the point they'll build the cars(like Samsung is working on). And about Tesla: a lot of it's value is about brand. cars as a service kill branding(if everybody transports with a Tesla,it's nothing special) . Maybe that's one reason why they don't want their vehicle as a service. [1]One thing i'm curious about : is taxi sharing realistic in a world of self-driven cars ? one guess: to make it viable, someone would have to build cars that are both shareable, but offer privacy for each of the passengers. And actually, this doesn't require self-driving to offer great value, so i wonder why aren't we seeing work on this?

Ensorceled 10y ago
Sharing isn't viable. I don't want my 20 minute taxi/CaaS ride to become 30+ minutes as we drive off my route to pick up another rider (and wait for them to come downstairs, pick their way across the slush, close their umbrella, and FINALLY get in the god damn cab)
- alexc05 10y ago
  Though, with a self driving car sharing would not necessarily mean you both need to use it at the same time. The car could pick you up, drive your 20 minutes, then drive to the other person on its own and drive their 20 minutes. "Serial sharing" not "parallel"
  - Ensorceled 10y ago
    > someone would have to build cars that are both shareable, but offer privacy for each of the passengers The type of sharing you are writing about is not what the comment I was replying to was writing about. I agree FWIW and I think you'll see CaaS co-operatives start up.
    - majewsky 10y ago
      > I think you'll see CaaS co-operatives start up That's assuming that autonomous cars as a product (rather than a service) enter the free market at all.
- sfifs 10y ago
  Most of people outside the 5% value cash over times. I've seen a lot of people begin to use UberPool in India who would have earlier commuted by partly open and definitely unsafe motor rickshaws. With pooling, they get an air conditioned car ride.
- aianus 10y ago
  > Sharing isn't viable. I don't want my 20 minute taxi/CaaS ride to become 30+ minutes as we drive off my route to pick up another rider I drive for Uber part time and the majority of riders do choose the POOL option so I think you're wrong here.
  - Ensorceled 10y ago
    Uber says Pool is at 20+% of the rides. Huh, I stand partially corrected!
    - shostack 10y ago
      I think most people would prefer no delays and a private ride. But the savings of pooling is too large for many to ignore.
      - 0x6c6f6c 10y ago
        So you mean, most people absolutely do prefer no delays and a private ride, since the other ~80% of Uber riders don't do the POOL option. The market exists for both though. It's a smart move to offer this option. It's more energy economical and fiscally responsible. There's certainly even people who have the time but not the money.
        posterboy 10y ago
        a shared ride has to have at least two occupants. With 4 passengers on average, 20% shared rides would mean 50% of user.
        coffeevradar 10y ago
        The Uber Pool service doesn't require you to actually be matched. If there doesn't happen to be another rider going in the same direction, you still get the cheaper fare and it's counted as an Uber Pool ride.
        10y ago
- untog 10y ago
  I think it depends where you live. In a dense city like New York existing pool services work very well indeed - the diversion to pick up is usually brief, and the savings considerable.
- coredog64 10y ago
  In Honiara, moderately well off people will own a car and then lease* it to a taxi driver so that it can make them money throughout the day. It works out really well if you need to get your kids to school, as the taxi driver will take them or pick them up without disrupting your work commute.

by petra 10y ago

Ensorceled 10y ago

Sharing isn't viable. I don't want my 20 minute taxi/CaaS ride to become 30+ minutes as we drive off my route to pick up another rider (and wait for them to come downstairs, pick their way across the slush, close their umbrella, and FINALLY get in the god damn cab)

alexc05 10y ago
Though, with a self driving car sharing would not necessarily mean you both need to use it at the same time. The car could pick you up, drive your 20 minutes, then drive to the other person on its own and drive their 20 minutes. "Serial sharing" not "parallel"
- Ensorceled 10y ago
  > someone would have to build cars that are both shareable, but offer privacy for each of the passengers The type of sharing you are writing about is not what the comment I was replying to was writing about. I agree FWIW and I think you'll see CaaS co-operatives start up.
  - majewsky 10y ago
    > I think you'll see CaaS co-operatives start up That's assuming that autonomous cars as a product (rather than a service) enter the free market at all.
sfifs 10y ago
Most of people outside the 5% value cash over times. I've seen a lot of people begin to use UberPool in India who would have earlier commuted by partly open and definitely unsafe motor rickshaws. With pooling, they get an air conditioned car ride.
aianus 10y ago
> Sharing isn't viable. I don't want my 20 minute taxi/CaaS ride to become 30+ minutes as we drive off my route to pick up another rider I drive for Uber part time and the majority of riders do choose the POOL option so I think you're wrong here.
- Ensorceled 10y ago
  Uber says Pool is at 20+% of the rides. Huh, I stand partially corrected!
  - shostack 10y ago
    I think most people would prefer no delays and a private ride. But the savings of pooling is too large for many to ignore.
    - 0x6c6f6c 10y ago
      So you mean, most people absolutely do prefer no delays and a private ride, since the other ~80% of Uber riders don't do the POOL option. The market exists for both though. It's a smart move to offer this option. It's more energy economical and fiscally responsible. There's certainly even people who have the time but not the money.
      - posterboy 10y ago
        a shared ride has to have at least two occupants. With 4 passengers on average, 20% shared rides would mean 50% of user.
        coffeevradar 10y ago
        The Uber Pool service doesn't require you to actually be matched. If there doesn't happen to be another rider going in the same direction, you still get the cheaper fare and it's counted as an Uber Pool ride.
      - 10y ago
untog 10y ago
I think it depends where you live. In a dense city like New York existing pool services work very well indeed - the diversion to pick up is usually brief, and the savings considerable.
coredog64 10y ago
In Honiara, moderately well off people will own a car and then lease* it to a taxi driver so that it can make them money throughout the day. It works out really well if you need to get your kids to school, as the taxi driver will take them or pick them up without disrupting your work commute.