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Since we're all saying nice things about Ubiquiti, I feel obliged to point out that they are actively violating the GPL: http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ http://
by finnn 10y ago
Since we're all saying nice things about Ubiquiti, I feel obliged to point out that they are actively violating the GPL: http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/
- supercoder 10y agoOh well.
- sargun 10y agoSo are the following: -Tesla -Eero -Pluot
- esaym 10y agoDoesn't make it ok. But dang hate to see Tesla on there :(
- nine_k 10y agoHaving a somehow famous name does not make a deplorable action magically virtuous.
- duopixel 10y agoOP made no moral claim, just stated unreferenced facts.
- noja 10y agoNothing is so black and white. If you point out that others are engaging in bad behaviour, then it makes that bad behaviour look less bad.
- rhizome 10y agoThat depends entirely on the ethics of the looker, but are you really saying that people would engage in fewer acts of bad behavior if other people didn't point them out when they did?
- dumb-saint 10y agoWhat do you mean with the "nothing is so black and white" cliché in this context? The psychological reaction of onlookers has nothing to do with an action being ethical or not.
- ssalazar 10y agoI had the opposite reaction, that the poster was implying the HN zeitgeist should be raking these companies over the coals also.
- mlvljr 10y agoYou jealous of Elon, right?
- samcrawford 10y agoCan you provide a reference to how eero is violating the GPL? A quick search did not reveal anything, and they have a page on their website that suggests they meet their obligations under it.
- madeofpalk 10y agoJust for reference's sake, here's their page https://eero.com/legal/open https://eero.com/legal/open with the money quote You may also request a copy of the source by e-mailing legal@eero.com with "Source for eero device" in the subject line. Note, GPL doesn't mandate code be put up on GitHub. It only requires that its reasonably available.
- sargun 10y agoI contacted them, and they failed to provide source code in a timely manner -- or you know, respond.
- kwindla 10y agoDo you have Pluot? Happy to send you firmware source.
- sargun 10y agoWe demoed a device at work, and tried to get source. This was a little while ago.
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- OriginalPenguin 10y agoWow. And here I was just thinking with this week's Netgear security vulnerability, maybe it was time to switch to Ubiquiti. Guess I'll just wait for the Netgear patch and save my money.
- PietdeVries 10y agoI have two of their products, and must say: when they work, they work awesome! Range is great, monitoring is great - just compliments. But a firmware upgrade on their access point caused quite a lot of trouble. And with only one access point I seemed to be the lucky one, others had more work fixing it. Some got bricked when trying to revert to the old firmware. Support forum should provide background information if required. Bottom line: the sales-flyer always looks great but the moment you actually touch the device you start to notice some issues you wished someone told you beforehand...
- gogopuppygogo 10y agoIf you can afford it a Ruckus Wireless solutions has yet to disappoint me. Though the Brocade acquisition leaves a lot of questions on the table for their future.
- eltoozero 10y agoSame goes for Meraki now that they're Cisco, who has a dendancy to ruin everything they touch. UBNT for multi AP wifi, MikroTik for everything else.
- ianal_uanal 10y agoCountless UBNT deployments. Not a single problem ever. Only wish was they didn't restart after config change.
- trymas 10y ago> And ultimately, the relevant team never responded, hoping that I would simply forget about it or give up. > However, if we want the GPL to retain its power, this is precisely what we cannot do. One of the most important things. IANAL and not an expert on licenses, but what's the point of GPL if it does not protect itself and the code it's applied to?
- ianal_uanal 10y agos/GPL/copyright/g and you get your answer.
- lmm 10y agoNo you don't. There's no point copyrighting something if you don't intend to enforce your copyright.
- infinite8s 10y agoYou don't have to copyright it. Anything you produce us automatically copyrighted. What people forget is that the GPL is a way to get around the default lack of distribution and replication rights in ordinary copyright.
- ianal_uanal 10y agoContrary to popular belief, GPL is not free software. You can't add restrictions to something and call it "free as in freedom". A truly "free as in freedom" license is one you can't violate (BSD).
- teddyh 10y agoIs a free society one the laws of which you can’t break? No, that’s called anarchy. A free society can have laws, and a free license can have conditions.
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- nabanics 10y agoLuckily nobody cares about dead licences.
- twr 10y agoAuthor's claim about ag7240-eth.ko seems incorrect. Running `strings` on it shows "license=Dual BSD/GPL". It's unlikely that the GPL license was chosen. Current firmware downloads contain the uboot source code. Based on the email quotes, Ubiquiti did violate the GPL. It hasn't been proven that they are actively doing so.