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Yes, the Nader thing was just Democratic propaganda to ensure future left-wing parties are discredited by people and the media right from the start, just like t

by mtgx 10y ago

Yes, the Nader thing was just Democratic propaganda to ensure future left-wing parties are discredited by people and the media right from the start, just like they tried and failed to do this time with Jill Stein. Call it "fake news" if you will, not that Google or Facebook would ever ban a media entity like MSNBC [1] over it... How can you blame Stein for a few thousand lost votes when millions of other voters who voted Democratic in the last election stayed home because they didn't like your candidate? Do you really think those thousands of people that didn't stay home because they didn't like your candidate, but went to vote, and voted for Stein, would've voted your candidate instead? No, best case scenario, they would've stayed home just like the others, otherwise. Also, in some states tens of thousands (more than those that voted for Stein) actually did go to vote, voted on local elections, and didn't vote for president. Either way, blaming Stein is just laughable. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xK5NaH0oy4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xK5NaH0oy4

tunesmith 10y ago
That's a little overstated. If you go by national exit polls, both Stein voters and Johnson voters "would have voted" for Clinton over Trump (in a two-person election) about 25-15. The rest wouldn't have. If that margin is applied to each state (which isn't quite right but whatever), that's roughly enough to flip Michigan but probably not any other states. So, true that you can't pin the blame on Stein, but she did have an effect, partly measured by the vote, and partly unmeasurable in terms of enthusiasm dampening, etc. Same sort of thing with Nader - you can't quite draw a mathematical line that he flipped Florida, but all his Gush/Bore stuff - who knows what affect that had in terms of people not voting.

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Yes, the Nader thing was just Democratic propaganda to ensure future left-wing parties are discredited by people and the media right from the start, just like t

by mtgx 10y ago

tunesmith 10y ago
That's a little overstated. If you go by national exit polls, both Stein voters and Johnson voters "would have voted" for Clinton over Trump (in a two-person election) about 25-15. The rest wouldn't have. If that margin is applied to each state (which isn't quite right but whatever), that's roughly enough to flip Michigan but probably not any other states. So, true that you can't pin the blame on Stein, but she did have an effect, partly measured by the vote, and partly unmeasurable in terms of enthusiasm dampening, etc. Same sort of thing with Nader - you can't quite draw a mathematical line that he flipped Florida, but all his Gush/Bore stuff - who knows what affect that had in terms of people not voting.