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Only someone who has never had kids would suggest such a thing. Newborns are a LOT of work. This time isn't going to be a leisurely vacation.

by st3v3r 10y ago

kakarot 10y ago
Only someone who has not personally witnessed child-rearing as a way to get welfare (not that this is a widespread problem -- its prevalence is blown way out of proportion) would suggest such a thing is unfathomable. For the sake of argument, consider a person who is extremely short-sighted by nature, who sees an opportunity to apply for a shitty low-paying job right after getting pregnant in order to get paid maternity leave? Where do we draw the line for what businesses need to support this and what businesses can't feasibly do it? It seems this kind of mandatory paid maternity is incompatible with our current capitalist / socialist infrastructure.
- st3v3r 10y ago
  I'm not going to let you use it for the "sake of argument" unless you can show evidence that it is a significant enough problem.
  - kakarot 10y ago
    That's a bit circular, considering I could only produce such data if this were to become law, since my original comment was merely pondering the outcome of the law. And why do you keep sidestepping the real meat of my question, which is where do we draw the line for which businesses must support paying 6mos parental leave?
    - st3v3r 10y ago
      It's not circular at all. You're the one claiming that people would abuse this en masse to get free vacation, completely ignoring the reality of the situation. Therefore, it would be on you to prove that there would actually be a threat of that happening. I'm not going to let you just claim it will happen and frame the argument that way.
      - kakarot 10y ago
        Where did I make such a claim? I was merely musing -- nothing more, and nothing less. And I would appreciate if you would stop twisting my words as such. 3rd time you've side-stepped the main sentiment of my comment now. Will there be a 4th?

Only someone who has never had kids would suggest such a thing. Newborns are a LOT of work. This time isn't going to be a leisurely vacation.

by st3v3r 10y ago

Only someone who has never had kids would suggest such a thing. Newborns are a LOT of work. This time isn't going to be a leisurely vacation.

kakarot 10y ago

Only someone who has not personally witnessed child-rearing as a way to get welfare (not that this is a widespread problem -- its prevalence is blown way out of proportion) would suggest such a thing is unfathomable. For the sake of argument, consider a person who is extremely short-sighted by nature, who sees an opportunity to apply for a shitty low-paying job right after getting pregnant in order to get paid maternity leave? Where do we draw the line for what businesses need to support this and what businesses can't feasibly do it? It seems this kind of mandatory paid maternity is incompatible with our current capitalist / socialist infrastructure.

st3v3r 10y ago
I'm not going to let you use it for the "sake of argument" unless you can show evidence that it is a significant enough problem.
- kakarot 10y ago
  That's a bit circular, considering I could only produce such data if this were to become law, since my original comment was merely pondering the outcome of the law. And why do you keep sidestepping the real meat of my question, which is where do we draw the line for which businesses must support paying 6mos parental leave?
  - st3v3r 10y ago
    It's not circular at all. You're the one claiming that people would abuse this en masse to get free vacation, completely ignoring the reality of the situation. Therefore, it would be on you to prove that there would actually be a threat of that happening. I'm not going to let you just claim it will happen and frame the argument that way.
    - kakarot 10y ago
      Where did I make such a claim? I was merely musing -- nothing more, and nothing less. And I would appreciate if you would stop twisting my words as such. 3rd time you've side-stepped the main sentiment of my comment now. Will there be a 4th?