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"epistemic closure" is a phrase that bored philosophy majors use to try and disparage their opponents on political grounds. I should know, I'm a bored philosoph

"epistemic closure" is a phrase that bored philosophy majors use to try and disparage their opponents on political grounds. I should know, I'm a bored philosophy major. now would you kindly speak to me like a real person?

AnimalMuppet 10y ago
Well, I don't know. Were you speaking to us like we're real people when you dismissed Friedman as automatically worthy of extreme aversion, without even bothering to give any explanation or justification? Were you even speaking of Friedman like a real person? I submit that you were not. You were in fact speaking like a person whose mind is made up, and who thinks that everyone else's mind should also be made up, and there's nothing that's even worth talking about or considering. I'm not a philosophy major, bored or otherwise, but that's rather close to my understanding of "epistemic closure". (Ah, however, actually looking up the term shows that it means something rather different. My bad.)
- metaphorm 10y ago
  I said "it's a valid opinion to express an extreme aversion to Friedman". that's exactly what I meant. it's an opinion. it's not a claim of any kind of universal truth. it's a statement of taste and therefore does not require justification. I didn't anywhere say "automatically worthy of...". You said that. You're trying to put words in my mouth, which is a discredited rhetorical trick. you are really getting carried away with word games. knock it off.
  - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
    > you are really getting carried away with word games. knock it off. No, what I was really doing was mentally combining you with the OP, cylinder. But you said "valid opinion"; OK, I can go there. I think (at least partially) discrediting the whole list because of Friedman is still a bit much, but I think you were actually agreeing with that, when you said "ok" in the post that is five parents up from this one. But now you're being rather careless with accusations toward me - that I'm playing word games. Maybe you should knock that off, too.
    - ryanx435 10y ago
      Gonna have to agree with the other guy: AnimalMuppet, you're kinda being purposefully obstinept here

AnimalMuppet 10y ago

Well, I don't know. Were you speaking to us like we're real people when you dismissed Friedman as automatically worthy of extreme aversion, without even bothering to give any explanation or justification? Were you even speaking of Friedman like a real person? I submit that you were not. You were in fact speaking like a person whose mind is made up, and who thinks that everyone else's mind should also be made up, and there's nothing that's even worth talking about or considering. I'm not a philosophy major, bored or otherwise, but that's rather close to my understanding of "epistemic closure". (Ah, however, actually looking up the term shows that it means something rather different. My bad.)

metaphorm 10y ago
I said "it's a valid opinion to express an extreme aversion to Friedman". that's exactly what I meant. it's an opinion. it's not a claim of any kind of universal truth. it's a statement of taste and therefore does not require justification. I didn't anywhere say "automatically worthy of...". You said that. You're trying to put words in my mouth, which is a discredited rhetorical trick. you are really getting carried away with word games. knock it off.
- AnimalMuppet 10y ago
  > you are really getting carried away with word games. knock it off. No, what I was really doing was mentally combining you with the OP, cylinder. But you said "valid opinion"; OK, I can go there. I think (at least partially) discrediting the whole list because of Friedman is still a bit much, but I think you were actually agreeing with that, when you said "ok" in the post that is five parents up from this one. But now you're being rather careless with accusations toward me - that I'm playing word games. Maybe you should knock that off, too.
  - ryanx435 10y ago
    Gonna have to agree with the other guy: AnimalMuppet, you're kinda being purposefully obstinept here