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Seriously why all the down votes. I'm saying this is a prestigious publication company with very low distribution. What would you do if your revenue didn't me

by socmag 10y ago

Seriously why all the down votes. I'm saying this is a prestigious publication company with very low distribution. What would you do if your revenue didn't meet your principles? Maybe a Kickstarter? I'm pretty sure these guys are doing what they can. Why don't you ask them?

Retra 10y ago
Instead of charging for access, they could be charging for promotion. You could be paying them to review & analyze your work and essentially supplement it with materials that aid in understanding and sharing (and thus expand your work's ability to help and influence people.) They should be help, not adversaries. They could offer publication tools by subscription and knowledgeable advisers.
- socmag 10y ago
  Alright, Elsevier... As I see it, the reason this article is on Hacker News in the first place is that the community as a whole appreciates your publications. If the paywall is causing some kind of riot it's actually just a projection that people care. So frankly an opportunity to fix and redeem. Nobody wants Elsevier under the bus. That is for damn sure. Really hope you are reading Elsevier. You are loved.
  - rrmm 10y ago
    I can think of a great many buses I'd like to see Elsevier under. Perhaps Google can do some sort of self-driving bus to automatically do it. Elsevier is a leech on academia and actively work against open access to papers. They run scam journals and try to strong arm university libraries into buying tons of journals they don't want to get the important ones they do.
  - inimino 10y ago
    This is why you are getting downvoted. Elsevier is hated, not loved. People see that Elsevier is locking away knowledge created by others, and aggressively working to restrict the flow of scientific knowledge. If the Internet and the free exchange of scientific information is good and helps mankind to progress, then Elsevier represents the forces of evil working against this, retarding human progress only to maintain their ability to squeeze money out of the academic system. Nobody is expecting Elsevier to change, but to be replaced and fade into richly deserved irrelevance.
HelloNurse 10y ago
You are being downvoted because you appear to trust and support a very evil corporation. In the harsh, cynical world of Hacker news, such aberrant opinions mean you are either - too naive and/or out of contact with reality to be worth listening - trolling, and not to be encouraged - a shill writing on behalf of Elsevier

by socmag 10y ago

Retra 10y ago

Instead of charging for access, they could be charging for promotion. You could be paying them to review & analyze your work and essentially supplement it with materials that aid in understanding and sharing (and thus expand your work's ability to help and influence people.) They should be help, not adversaries. They could offer publication tools by subscription and knowledgeable advisers.

socmag 10y ago
Alright, Elsevier... As I see it, the reason this article is on Hacker News in the first place is that the community as a whole appreciates your publications. If the paywall is causing some kind of riot it's actually just a projection that people care. So frankly an opportunity to fix and redeem. Nobody wants Elsevier under the bus. That is for damn sure. Really hope you are reading Elsevier. You are loved.
- rrmm 10y ago
  I can think of a great many buses I'd like to see Elsevier under. Perhaps Google can do some sort of self-driving bus to automatically do it. Elsevier is a leech on academia and actively work against open access to papers. They run scam journals and try to strong arm university libraries into buying tons of journals they don't want to get the important ones they do.
- inimino 10y ago
  This is why you are getting downvoted. Elsevier is hated, not loved. People see that Elsevier is locking away knowledge created by others, and aggressively working to restrict the flow of scientific knowledge. If the Internet and the free exchange of scientific information is good and helps mankind to progress, then Elsevier represents the forces of evil working against this, retarding human progress only to maintain their ability to squeeze money out of the academic system. Nobody is expecting Elsevier to change, but to be replaced and fade into richly deserved irrelevance.

HelloNurse 10y ago

You are being downvoted because you appear to trust and support a very evil corporation. In the harsh, cynical world of Hacker news, such aberrant opinions mean you are either - too naive and/or out of contact with reality to be worth listening - trolling, and not to be encouraged - a shill writing on behalf of Elsevier