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You are 100% correct that having an appreciation for shock art isn't a crime. For that matter, neither is hypothetically attending satanic spirit cooking dinner

You are 100% correct that having an appreciation for shock art isn't a crime. For that matter, neither is hypothetically attending satanic spirit cooking dinners. But there's so much weirdness in the peoples' lives that the Pizzagate investigation is looking into and the media is so hysterical in denying the very idea of a pedophile ring that it's just causing people to look harder into it. The type of artwork that was at a supposedly family friendly pizza place was just weird enough, but then you had the JimmyComet Instagram account allegedly putting #chickenlovers hashtags on pics with kids and much other weirdness. No smoking guns obviously, but tons of weirdness. A normal person sees lots of things like that and goes "maybe there's something odd going on here". But the media refuses to show some of these pics and hysterically goes off kilter about "fake news". A normal person remembers that Anderson Cooper did a report years back about LITERALLY THOUSANDS of Pentagon employees buying child porn and that story vanished down the memory hole, but no, there's nothing bad going on in DC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7n316nGhVo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7n316nGhVo

tptacek 10y ago
That is terrifying logic, because it applies equally well to pretty much any person that happens to be in the public eye. I could generate a "pizza related" pedophile ring conspiracy theory about Paul Graham, and someone like you could step up and say "well maybe it's true because the media doesn't take pedophile rings seriously and a lot of people at the Pentagon had child porn". A normal person does not look the underlying fact pattern and say "maybe something is going on there". But it's easy for trolls to decontextualize and distort --- well, we're down to "pizza shops" now, so I guess the words we're looking for are "anything at all" --- to force people to wonder whether there might be something going on. Because of course: something is going on: crazy Internet trolls are trying to frame strangers for pedophilia.
- throwaway420 10y ago
  > Because of course: something is going on: crazy Internet trolls are trying to frame strangers for pedophilia. Frame is the absolute wrong word. Nobody is framing anybody. It's an investigation: and one that's limited to looking at public records and internet articles and social media accounts and the like. I know that the New York Times has already decided the idea of a pedophile ring involving some powerful people to be double-plus "fake news", but its current CEO Mark Thompson literally helped cover up the crimes of child abuser Jimmy Savile for the BBC, so should we just take their word for it? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/10512203/Former-BBC-boss-Mark-Thompson-lied-over-Savile-evidence-Nick-Pollard-claims.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/10... > The author of a controversial inquiry into the handling of the Jimmy Savile scandal at the BBC has suggested that a former director-general lied when giving evidence, according to a tape recording. Nick Pollard was asked by a journalist during a taped conversation if Mr Thompson's "instinct" was to "lie" during questioning when he appeared before the inquiry. Mr Pollard replied: "Yes. Well... yeah, yeah."
  - tptacek 10y ago
    Once again: there is nobody in the world we couldn't direct this kind of "investigation" at. It's literally --- I mean literally in its original sense --- an investigation guided by Urban Dictionary. Did you not have 9th grade English class at your high school? I saw Lizzy Proctor speaking with the devil!
    - throwaway420 10y ago
      > there is nobody in the world we couldn't direct this kind of "investigation" at. Most people post a lot of Instagram pics with hashtags like chickenlovers on pics of kids? Frankly, I don't think most people act in this way. I'm no stranger to twisted humor, but the weirdness level with this is off the charts if you just look at (formerly) public Instagram posts and artwork. Again, being weird isn't a crime, and all that's happening is people looking at some of these connections and past history about them. There's a lot of smart folks who are convinced something is being covered up. Even though Pizzagate emerged this year through Wikileaks, some of these allegations have gone on for a while. This is extremely interesting: back from Andrew Breitbart in 2011. https://twitter.com/AndrewBreitbart/status/33636278100561920 https://twitter.com/AndrewBreitbart/status/33636278100561920 > How prog-guru John Podesta isn't household name as world class underage sex slave op cover-upperer defending unspeakable dregs escapes me.
      - tptacek 10y ago
        It's a vast conspiracy, and only only the brilliant minds on r/The_Donald could uncover it. Not local law enforcement, not the FBI. Just Internet people and their intuitions about Instagram. New day dawning.
      - pcwalton 10y ago
        > There's a lot of smart folks who are convinced something is being covered up. There were a lot of very smart Truthers and Birthers too. > I'm no stranger to twisted humor, but the weirdness level with this is off the charts if you just look at (formerly) public Instagram posts and artwork. Person who owns a pizza restaurant takes pictures of people who attended his restaurant! How shocking! How anybody can even remotely consider "pizzagate" credible is beyond me.

tptacek 10y ago

That is terrifying logic, because it applies equally well to pretty much any person that happens to be in the public eye. I could generate a "pizza related" pedophile ring conspiracy theory about Paul Graham, and someone like you could step up and say "well maybe it's true because the media doesn't take pedophile rings seriously and a lot of people at the Pentagon had child porn". A normal person does not look the underlying fact pattern and say "maybe something is going on there". But it's easy for trolls to decontextualize and distort --- well, we're down to "pizza shops" now, so I guess the words we're looking for are "anything at all" --- to force people to wonder whether there might be something going on. Because of course: something is going on: crazy Internet trolls are trying to frame strangers for pedophilia.

throwaway420 10y ago
> Because of course: something is going on: crazy Internet trolls are trying to frame strangers for pedophilia. Frame is the absolute wrong word. Nobody is framing anybody. It's an investigation: and one that's limited to looking at public records and internet articles and social media accounts and the like. I know that the New York Times has already decided the idea of a pedophile ring involving some powerful people to be double-plus "fake news", but its current CEO Mark Thompson literally helped cover up the crimes of child abuser Jimmy Savile for the BBC, so should we just take their word for it? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/10512203/Former-BBC-boss-Mark-Thompson-lied-over-Savile-evidence-Nick-Pollard-claims.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/10... > The author of a controversial inquiry into the handling of the Jimmy Savile scandal at the BBC has suggested that a former director-general lied when giving evidence, according to a tape recording. Nick Pollard was asked by a journalist during a taped conversation if Mr Thompson's "instinct" was to "lie" during questioning when he appeared before the inquiry. Mr Pollard replied: "Yes. Well... yeah, yeah."
- tptacek 10y ago
  Once again: there is nobody in the world we couldn't direct this kind of "investigation" at. It's literally --- I mean literally in its original sense --- an investigation guided by Urban Dictionary. Did you not have 9th grade English class at your high school? I saw Lizzy Proctor speaking with the devil!
  - throwaway420 10y ago
    > there is nobody in the world we couldn't direct this kind of "investigation" at. Most people post a lot of Instagram pics with hashtags like chickenlovers on pics of kids? Frankly, I don't think most people act in this way. I'm no stranger to twisted humor, but the weirdness level with this is off the charts if you just look at (formerly) public Instagram posts and artwork. Again, being weird isn't a crime, and all that's happening is people looking at some of these connections and past history about them. There's a lot of smart folks who are convinced something is being covered up. Even though Pizzagate emerged this year through Wikileaks, some of these allegations have gone on for a while. This is extremely interesting: back from Andrew Breitbart in 2011. https://twitter.com/AndrewBreitbart/status/33636278100561920 https://twitter.com/AndrewBreitbart/status/33636278100561920 > How prog-guru John Podesta isn't household name as world class underage sex slave op cover-upperer defending unspeakable dregs escapes me.
    - tptacek 10y ago
      It's a vast conspiracy, and only only the brilliant minds on r/The_Donald could uncover it. Not local law enforcement, not the FBI. Just Internet people and their intuitions about Instagram. New day dawning.
    - pcwalton 10y ago
      > There's a lot of smart folks who are convinced something is being covered up. There were a lot of very smart Truthers and Birthers too. > I'm no stranger to twisted humor, but the weirdness level with this is off the charts if you just look at (formerly) public Instagram posts and artwork. Person who owns a pizza restaurant takes pictures of people who attended his restaurant! How shocking! How anybody can even remotely consider "pizzagate" credible is beyond me.