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> This agrees perfectly with the statisticians definition, albeit applied to one particular example. Specifically, the slanted ball game field would provide a b
by smallnamespace 10y ago
> This agrees perfectly with the statisticians definition, albeit applied to one particular example. Specifically, the slanted ball game field would provide a biased measurement (in the statistical sense) of player ability. Score 1 for the mathematicians.
That's silly. It's not a competition between mathematicians and all other people for the 'correct', Platonic definition of a word -- a word is defined by how people use and interpret it. Logical, mathematical deduction from first principles is not the only way to look at the world.
Unless I'm mistaken, I think your objection can be summarized as 'we shouldn't talk about things that we don't have airtight definitions for (like racial bias or racial prejudice), because it might confuse people'.
I happen to strongly disagree, since grappling with fuzzy definitions is precisely how we get to having better definitions. Otherwise, we should give up on ever talking about anything except math, where we have clear axioms to work with.
Even in math, people were profitably doing calculus before we had clear definitions for infinitesimals, integrals, derivatives, or proofs that our procedures produced correct results. The logical machinery and deductive logic often comes after people spent time grappling with fuzzy, intuitive things with unclear definitions.
- yummyfajitas 10y agoUnless I'm mistaken, I think your objection can be summarized as 'we shouldn't talk about things that we don't have airtight definitions for (like racial bias or racial prejudice), because it might confuse people'. No. I give a concrete example of what I want in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13161470 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13161470 Specifically, the word "bias" makes virtually everyone think of one particular concept. I claim expanding the word "bias" to describe two separate concepts misleads people into thinking the second concept is the same as the first. My sole objection is with confusing people by conflating multiple disparate concepts under one label, which is already a perfectly good label that clearly refers to something else (according to everything besides throwaway's mysterious and uncited "vernacular definition").