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Jesus Christ tens of millions of people voted for Trump, they were in no way underground or suppressed

pfarnsworth 10y ago
Wrong. All the polls said Clinton would win, some by a large margin. A significant number of Trump voters weren't ready to admit even to pollsters that they were going to vote for Trump. But they voted for him in the voting booths.
- grzm 10y ago
  Edit: How did we get talking about the US Presidential polls on a submission about telomeres? Let's try to keep discussions on topic as much as possible rather than moving into inflammatory territory (as you did upthread) just because we might be able to tie it in somehow, no matter what's been said upthread. Original comment: Polling is inexact. It's a sample. Just as many people misunderstand how "theory" is used in science compared with in conversational speech, or how <particular topic you have knowledge about> is misrepresented in the news, and general public misunderstandings of statistics, and that the line between polls and predictions wasn't made clear. All of that can and should be improved. I wonder what the demographic breakdown is of people who refuse to answer a phone call from an unknown number, or refuse to answer polls or surveys if they do pick up? There's a lot of miscommunication going on with people not listening to each other. It's great that you are engaging in the conversation. Using the polls in the non-nuanced way you are here is just as bad as how the polls were used. As you mention upthread, there's a lot of assumptions being made all around, attributing positions and beliefs beyond what's actually being expressed. Let's engage each other honestly and with charity, and find some common understanding, if not agreement.
  - 69mlgsniperdad 10y ago
    Jill Stein
    - grzm 10y ago
      Would you elaborate what you mean by this? Does your comment mean anything more than an endorsement of a third-party candidate? Given that it's taking this thread even further off-topic, I hope it does :)
- mark_edward 10y ago
  Is being presented with polls that aren't in your favor suppression now? I didn't learn this definition of being suppressed until this election from trump supporters, according to whom predictions against you are some form of bullying or suppression. And what evidence do you have that there was an undue number of "shy" trump voters? There are some every time around. This [1] article says there's not much evidence of shy voters accounting for trump's victory. Why should I believe the presidential candidate of half the country's voters was some underground repressed phenomenon? [1] http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/shy-voters-probably-arent-why-the-polls-missed-trump/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/shy-voters-probably-aren...

Wrong. All the polls said Clinton would win, some by a large margin. A significant number of Trump voters weren't ready to admit even to pollsters that they were going to vote for Trump. But they voted for him in the voting booths.

grzm 10y ago
Edit: How did we get talking about the US Presidential polls on a submission about telomeres? Let's try to keep discussions on topic as much as possible rather than moving into inflammatory territory (as you did upthread) just because we might be able to tie it in somehow, no matter what's been said upthread. Original comment: Polling is inexact. It's a sample. Just as many people misunderstand how "theory" is used in science compared with in conversational speech, or how <particular topic you have knowledge about> is misrepresented in the news, and general public misunderstandings of statistics, and that the line between polls and predictions wasn't made clear. All of that can and should be improved. I wonder what the demographic breakdown is of people who refuse to answer a phone call from an unknown number, or refuse to answer polls or surveys if they do pick up? There's a lot of miscommunication going on with people not listening to each other. It's great that you are engaging in the conversation. Using the polls in the non-nuanced way you are here is just as bad as how the polls were used. As you mention upthread, there's a lot of assumptions being made all around, attributing positions and beliefs beyond what's actually being expressed. Let's engage each other honestly and with charity, and find some common understanding, if not agreement.
- 69mlgsniperdad 10y ago
  Jill Stein
  - grzm 10y ago
    Would you elaborate what you mean by this? Does your comment mean anything more than an endorsement of a third-party candidate? Given that it's taking this thread even further off-topic, I hope it does :)
mark_edward 10y ago
Is being presented with polls that aren't in your favor suppression now? I didn't learn this definition of being suppressed until this election from trump supporters, according to whom predictions against you are some form of bullying or suppression. And what evidence do you have that there was an undue number of "shy" trump voters? There are some every time around. This [1] article says there's not much evidence of shy voters accounting for trump's victory. Why should I believe the presidential candidate of half the country's voters was some underground repressed phenomenon? [1] http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/shy-voters-probably-arent-why-the-polls-missed-trump/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/shy-voters-probably-aren...