> I disagree. The drive to work and/or be productive is one of the reasons we're the apex predator, and not our prior evolutionary human-like variations. It's n

> I disagree. The drive to work and/or be productive is one of the reasons we're the apex predator, and not our prior evolutionary human-like variations. It's not "society" that says you have to work, but your DNA. Whereas most anthropological and genetic studies indicate that homo sapiens did not "win", but instead we mated with them and joined the disparate species. > Example... do you notice the drive among the powerful/wealthy individuals, governments, and corporations - to get to space and colonize our solar system and beyond? That drive does not exist if we sit on our laurels. Those are the people pushing the species forward - it would be simple to do nothing, and for them to sip very expensive coffee and entertain themselves until their life expired. Sigh. And here we go, with moralizing capitalistic thought with expansion and growth. You pack in the assumption that capitalism pushes society forward and will continue to do so. I also seem to remember the Wright bros story. They patented the aeropane in the US, whereas it was free to use elsewhere. They locked down the industry so it was their way or no way. Eventually, the US military had to step in, due to WWI, and end their protections. In the end, capitalism is great at looking that it furthers science and the arts. But the bad sides are that it: 1. retards cooperation between different entities 2. pits person against person 3. encourages to maximize money against all other means > tldr; if/when a society meltdown occurs, I don't want you on my team. Don't worry. You wouldn't be on my "team" anyways. It'd be your loss, given I know many things, including many arts and sciences from the SCA.