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If by "professional workflow" you mean programming, I agree. But I'd have no problem using Linux for that instead of MacOS. However, for many "professional wor

by erokar 10y ago

If by "professional workflow" you mean programming, I agree. But I'd have no problem using Linux for that instead of MacOS. However, for many "professional workflow" means using the MS Office suite and a browser. For that use, Windows 10 is not only adequate but better than MacOS.

H4CK3RM4N 10y ago
I'd say that macOS tends to be more stable, and The office suite has an actual price instead of a shitty subscription model.
- johnward 10y ago
  There are tools purposely missing from Mac like visio and project(?). I don't get why they are needed but my project manager does.
- Aldo_MX 10y ago
  Does it have a price? The last time I checked it was free. OTOH, I don't see many professionals trusting Apple software in the long run (ex. Final Cut).
  - jsjohnst 10y ago
    It's only free to the original buyer of a new Mac since something like 4 - 5 years ago. If you've never bought a new Mac and registered it with your Apple ID, it's not free. I always thought it was free too, but learned otherwise recently from a colleague battling with it.
astrodust 10y ago
Visual Studio for Windows applications and XCode for iOS ones pin you to particular platforms. > For that use, Windows 10 is not only adequate but better than MacOS. "Denny's is as good as any Michelin Star restaurant."
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  Dollar for dollar Denny's is as good as any Michelin Star restaurant.
  - gumby 10y ago
    I think this was flagged down because it was flippant but the statement is true and insightful. And I think it's is a big driver of why the App Store went to FTP. I've eaten €1500 meals at 3 star restaurants like L'Ambroisie and $10 Grand Slam meals at denny's. They fill different roles and both can be enjoyable. For years there was a restaurant in Palo Alto that was really quite good and which my wife loved to visit. I was never happy because while the food and ambience were good, I always felt the bill was 50% higher than it should have been. In the case of apps, most of them, for most users, don't justify the time put into them. Since that's true, people aren't idiots and won't take an up front risk on buying an app that doesn't work for them. That's why free download/in app purchase to really use has really taken off. Oh, and it's well worth it to me to pay for a Mac. The fact that it's true for me doesn't justify your decision to buy a Mac or contradict your decision not to.
    - astrodust 10y ago
      > I was never happy because while the food and ambience were good... ...supply and demand. That you were willing to eat there despite the higher prices suggests you found value in the food. You can bitch about higher prices all you want, but you paid them. Likewise, for a lot of professionals the difference between a $3000 MacBook and a $1500 Windows notebook over the lifespan of 3-4 years is inconsequential. You could easily make up the difference by brewing your own coffee versus getting something at a store.
      - gumby 10y ago
        > ...supply and demand. That you were willing to eat there despite the higher prices suggests you found value in the food. You can bitch about higher prices all you want, but you paid them. Yes, well the decision criterion was that it made my wife happy. So I suppose they optimized for that factor :-).
tdb7893 10y ago
I've had fine experiences with Java, Javascript, and Python development on windows. I've developed also on Mac and Linux and after maybe a getting used to the the workflow on each system I haven't found the OS to be a major impediment for me outside of some tools and libraries only existing on certain platforms.

by erokar 10y ago

H4CK3RM4N 10y ago

I'd say that macOS tends to be more stable, and The office suite has an actual price instead of a shitty subscription model.

johnward 10y ago
There are tools purposely missing from Mac like visio and project(?). I don't get why they are needed but my project manager does.
Aldo_MX 10y ago
Does it have a price? The last time I checked it was free. OTOH, I don't see many professionals trusting Apple software in the long run (ex. Final Cut).
- jsjohnst 10y ago
  It's only free to the original buyer of a new Mac since something like 4 - 5 years ago. If you've never bought a new Mac and registered it with your Apple ID, it's not free. I always thought it was free too, but learned otherwise recently from a colleague battling with it.

astrodust 10y ago

Visual Studio for Windows applications and XCode for iOS ones pin you to particular platforms. > For that use, Windows 10 is not only adequate but better than MacOS. "Denny's is as good as any Michelin Star restaurant."

cmdrfred 10y ago
Dollar for dollar Denny's is as good as any Michelin Star restaurant.
- gumby 10y ago
  I think this was flagged down because it was flippant but the statement is true and insightful. And I think it's is a big driver of why the App Store went to FTP. I've eaten €1500 meals at 3 star restaurants like L'Ambroisie and $10 Grand Slam meals at denny's. They fill different roles and both can be enjoyable. For years there was a restaurant in Palo Alto that was really quite good and which my wife loved to visit. I was never happy because while the food and ambience were good, I always felt the bill was 50% higher than it should have been. In the case of apps, most of them, for most users, don't justify the time put into them. Since that's true, people aren't idiots and won't take an up front risk on buying an app that doesn't work for them. That's why free download/in app purchase to really use has really taken off. Oh, and it's well worth it to me to pay for a Mac. The fact that it's true for me doesn't justify your decision to buy a Mac or contradict your decision not to.
  - astrodust 10y ago
    > I was never happy because while the food and ambience were good... ...supply and demand. That you were willing to eat there despite the higher prices suggests you found value in the food. You can bitch about higher prices all you want, but you paid them. Likewise, for a lot of professionals the difference between a $3000 MacBook and a $1500 Windows notebook over the lifespan of 3-4 years is inconsequential. You could easily make up the difference by brewing your own coffee versus getting something at a store.
    - gumby 10y ago
      > ...supply and demand. That you were willing to eat there despite the higher prices suggests you found value in the food. You can bitch about higher prices all you want, but you paid them. Yes, well the decision criterion was that it made my wife happy. So I suppose they optimized for that factor :-).

tdb7893 10y ago

I've had fine experiences with Java, Javascript, and Python development on windows. I've developed also on Mac and Linux and after maybe a getting used to the the workflow on each system I haven't found the OS to be a major impediment for me outside of some tools and libraries only existing on certain platforms.