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Here is a paper titled Automated Inference on Criminality using Face Images [0]. The system is trained on existing conviction records. Inheriting all the prejud

Here is a paper titled Automated Inference on Criminality using Face Images [0]. The system is trained on existing conviction records. Inheriting all the prejudices and biases of our current justice system. [0] https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.04135 https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.04135

yummyfajitas 10y ago
What are the appearance-based prejudices and biases of the Chinese justice system? It would be great to hear about this; most of us are not from China and are unfamiliar with such things.
- devoply 10y ago
  Probably being a Uighur or Tibetan in their respective regions regions. Also faces might correspond to certain disadvantaged ethnicities or groups. Or they might even correspond to a genotype that is expressed as a phenotype, so a genetic basis. We have identified a certain gene that makes aggression much more likely. And apparently it's more prevalent in African Americans in the US than others. But even that has context. In certain countries beating someone up, i.e. physical assault, is glossed over. Crime is highly subjective in terms of what people are willing to put up with... anything more than thou shalt not kill is highly subjective, and even that's ignored by military all around the world all the time. Good quote: Indeed, that was an apt and true reply which was given to Alexander the Great by a pirate who had been seized. For when that king had asked the man what he meant by keeping hostile possession of the sea, he answered with bold pride, "What do you mean by seizing the whole earth; because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you who does it with a great fleet are styled emperor".
  - im3w1l 10y ago
    They "controlled for race, gender, age and facial expressions". I wonder how well they did it though, it seems to may that the non-criminal faces in Fig 10, have a happier expression.
  - tjalfi 10y ago
    There is a similar quote in one of Poul Anderson's Flandry novels. "Crime is entirely a matter of degree. If you kill your neighbor and steal his property, you are a murderer and a thief. But if you gather together an army of lusty fellows in the name of honor and glory, kill a few million people, take their land, and hit up the survivors for taxes, then you are a conqueror and a hero, and your name goes into the history books."
tokai 10y ago
Phrenology is alive and well I see.
- mattkrause 10y ago
  And raising funds! http://www.faception.com/ http://www.faception.com/
  - notahacker 10y ago
    It's scary that despite parts of their website appearing to be non-too-subtle satire, all the media evidence suggests they're dead serious about this...
    - mattkrause 10y ago
      Crunchbase says that they recently had a Series A round: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/foundersx-ventures#/entity https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/foundersx-ventures#/... which would make for a really elaborate prank. The page describing (defending?) the "theory behind our technology" is amazing. In brief, 1. Personality is somewhat heritable. 2. Face shape is also determined by genes. 3. ??? 4. Profit. There is even an explicit positive call-out to phrenology. The mind boggles.....
    - vanderZwan 10y ago
      Do we have a name for reverse Poe's law yet?
- 0xdeadbeefbabe 10y ago
  Always has been
aub3bhat 10y ago
The authors clearly need help marketing their research. They should have marketed paper as "guiding face beautification for honest signal using discriminative(pun intended) classifier" [similar to this SIGGRAPH paper http://leyvand.com/beautification/ http://leyvand.com/beautification/]. That would have sold very well. People are uneasy with labeling faces as criminal but its fine to label unattractive/creepy <--> potentially criminal. They would even get a buzzfeed article or TedX Talk about guiding plastic surgery using AI. Also they must include this image for laughs https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-11/1/13/campaign_images/webdr10/the-one-thing-you-never-knew-about-bill-gates-wil-2-5523-1414861853-5_dblbig.jpg https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-11/1/13...

yummyfajitas 10y ago

What are the appearance-based prejudices and biases of the Chinese justice system? It would be great to hear about this; most of us are not from China and are unfamiliar with such things.

devoply 10y ago
Probably being a Uighur or Tibetan in their respective regions regions. Also faces might correspond to certain disadvantaged ethnicities or groups. Or they might even correspond to a genotype that is expressed as a phenotype, so a genetic basis. We have identified a certain gene that makes aggression much more likely. And apparently it's more prevalent in African Americans in the US than others. But even that has context. In certain countries beating someone up, i.e. physical assault, is glossed over. Crime is highly subjective in terms of what people are willing to put up with... anything more than thou shalt not kill is highly subjective, and even that's ignored by military all around the world all the time. Good quote: Indeed, that was an apt and true reply which was given to Alexander the Great by a pirate who had been seized. For when that king had asked the man what he meant by keeping hostile possession of the sea, he answered with bold pride, "What do you mean by seizing the whole earth; because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you who does it with a great fleet are styled emperor".
- im3w1l 10y ago
  They "controlled for race, gender, age and facial expressions". I wonder how well they did it though, it seems to may that the non-criminal faces in Fig 10, have a happier expression.
- tjalfi 10y ago
  There is a similar quote in one of Poul Anderson's Flandry novels. "Crime is entirely a matter of degree. If you kill your neighbor and steal his property, you are a murderer and a thief. But if you gather together an army of lusty fellows in the name of honor and glory, kill a few million people, take their land, and hit up the survivors for taxes, then you are a conqueror and a hero, and your name goes into the history books."

tokai 10y ago

Phrenology is alive and well I see.

mattkrause 10y ago
And raising funds! http://www.faception.com/ http://www.faception.com/
- notahacker 10y ago
  It's scary that despite parts of their website appearing to be non-too-subtle satire, all the media evidence suggests they're dead serious about this...
  - mattkrause 10y ago
    Crunchbase says that they recently had a Series A round: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/foundersx-ventures#/entity https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/foundersx-ventures#/... which would make for a really elaborate prank. The page describing (defending?) the "theory behind our technology" is amazing. In brief, 1. Personality is somewhat heritable. 2. Face shape is also determined by genes. 3. ??? 4. Profit. There is even an explicit positive call-out to phrenology. The mind boggles.....
  - vanderZwan 10y ago
    Do we have a name for reverse Poe's law yet?
0xdeadbeefbabe 10y ago
Always has been

aub3bhat 10y ago

The authors clearly need help marketing their research. They should have marketed paper as "guiding face beautification for honest signal using discriminative(pun intended) classifier" [similar to this SIGGRAPH paper http://leyvand.com/beautification/ http://leyvand.com/beautification/]. That would have sold very well. People are uneasy with labeling faces as criminal but its fine to label unattractive/creepy <--> potentially criminal. They would even get a buzzfeed article or TedX Talk about guiding plastic surgery using AI. Also they must include this image for laughs https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-11/1/13/campaign_images/webdr10/the-one-thing-you-never-knew-about-bill-gates-wil-2-5523-1414861853-5_dblbig.jpg https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-11/1/13...