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> Is encouraging emotional manipulation really what we want for the younger generations? You are fully correct. We don't want that. But, then, is there an al
by graycat 10y ago
> Is encouraging emotional manipulation really what we want for the younger generations?
You are fully correct. We don't want that.
But, then, is there an alternative? My first girlfriend, she was 12 and I, 14, I
regarded as an angel. She was and
remains the prettiest human female
I ever saw, in person or otherwise.
She was burned into my brain: For the rest of my life I will no more be able to
forget her than I will be able to forget
my own name.
My goal with her was for us to be early teen boyfriend-girlfriend, with some
protection against being lonely, some
additional affection and compassion, one
more person who really cared about us,
some romance, security of knowing
that our relationship was going to
continue, hold hands, hug, and kiss,
with nothing wrong and nothing
dangerous.
I never tried to manipulate her
emotionally, but there were a few
times when she got emotional
anyway; those times, I declined
to take advantage of her; i
guessed that a day later she or
her mother would be angry. No way
did I want her hurt, in any way, from
any source, for any reason, at any
time, and I was ready to risk my
life to protect her from being hurt.
So, in reality, what I actually did
was what you want teen boys to do.
My remark, the one you didn't like,
was partly a joke, but there is
a germ of inconvenient truth
there -- it can appear that too
often there is such manipulation,
taking advantage, or overpowering
emotions or nothing at all. Or, maybe
it's as in the Strauss music or
too often just doesn't happen.
Maybe the larger lesson to teen boys
is, really love the girl, no way hurt
her, seek to protect and care for her, but realize what an expert
once told me, "Of COURSE, women
are MUCH more emotional than
men. That is the cause of all the
problems." So, net, maybe,
the boy should try
to let her be as emotional as she
wants but stay rational and prudent
himself and do his best
to let her have, help her have
her emotions
with full safety.
Usually it appears that
not many people in our society
are quite as sensitive to
protecting girls,
emotionally or even physically,
as you are, or
I was with that girl I loved,
but I can partly agree with
your point.
But I will say, there is evidence
that some girls very much
seek some of various possible
forms of emotional experiences
and will resent a boy who
does not so contribute and
respect a boy who does.
Ah, someday I'll write a book, Girls 101 for Dummies -- Boys.
The Strauss music was about all of
life, and I was just mentioning
the part where the two
fell in love! I was mentioning the
Strauss music as a grand example
of formula fiction, and that is
one of the pillars of the news business which the OP was talking about.
- DonaldFoss 10y agoAfter being married over 20 years, which I still find shocking that anyone has put up with me for so long, I find that "to let her be as emotional as she wants but stay rational and prudent" frequently backfires because she wants emotional _involvement_ and support. Being rational doesn't meet her needs, even though as a man, a geek HFA man at that, I'd rather stay in the safe, predictable, rational realm. Staying married and supporting my wife is more important to me than my comfort zone, just like apologizing means you value the other person more than your own ego.