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I think it's very true that in most scenarios it's entirely too easy to eat too much sugar in the foods we consume. I think most people with a nutritional chem

I think it's very true that in most scenarios it's entirely too easy to eat too much sugar in the foods we consume. I think most people with a nutritional chemistry background would agree, as well, most general medicine practitioners that eating less sugar is a proper direction for much of the population.

DanBC 10y ago
That's not the point you made though. You specifically said that it's hard to overconsume fat and protein. It really isn't. When we look at what obese people eat they aren't just eating too much sugar. They're eating too much of everything, including fat. Cutting out the sugar would help (especially because it's often a pointless addition with a painless substitution eg soda to non-sugar soda), but it would not be enough.
- Mtinie 10y ago
  > Cutting out the sugar would help (especially because it's often a pointless addition with a painless substitution eg soda to non-sugar soda), but it would not be enough. This may not be as useful a replacement as we've always been lead to believe. There's recent research that suggests that the body is tricked into behaving as if the sugar substitutes are actually sugar[0], especially when considering abdominal obesity. --- [0] "Chronic Low-Calorie Sweetener Use and Risk of Abdominal Obesity among Older Adults: A Cohort Study" - http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0167241#sec020 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal....
- croon 10y ago
  There's a flaw in your logic. True; obese people aren't just eating too much sugar, but also fat (and protein), but the problem is still the sugar. The sugar makes you hungry, making you able to eat more fat (which is highly calorie dense). If you cut the sugar (and other high GI/II carbs), you will eat a lot less of the rest. Sure, the problem in calorie intake is the combination, but eating just fat and protein is fine, while eating only carbs and protein is definitely not.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    > The sugar makes you hungry, making you able to eat more fat (which is highly calorie dense). If you cut the sugar (and other high GI/II carbs), you will eat a lot less of the rest. Do you have any credible research on this? I'd be interested to read it.
    - croon 10y ago
      Sure, do you mind if I just link-dump? Otherwise let me know: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24819342 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24819342 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16129086 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16129086 Low carb AND low fat https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3139783/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3139783/ This paper is often quoted when talking about eating regularly vs rarely (IF), in which the subjects were given meals with 70/15/15 of carbs/protein/fat, in which regular eaters consumed less: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10578205 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10578205 This is a paper on a similar trial with 60/14/26 and 49/25/26 macro comp instead, with opposite results (meaning you were full longer when eating less carbs): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034047/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034047/
  - iopq 10y ago
    Except for the people who get fat without eating almost any sugar and just eat plain old starches. Not everyone enjoys sweet things.
    - grzm 10y ago
      People are idiosyncratic, and not only that, dynamic. For many things we'll always find exceptions. What matters is understanding solutions that (a) work for many people and (b) work for each individually. Those solutions aren't necessarily the same.
    - croon 10y ago
      Sure, but if you read my entire post I accounted for this. You could just s/sugar/carbs/ in my post if you'd like.
- kumarski 10y ago
  P(harm your own nutrition | consumed sugar) > P(harm your own nutrition | consumed fats/proteins)

DanBC 10y ago

That's not the point you made though. You specifically said that it's hard to overconsume fat and protein. It really isn't. When we look at what obese people eat they aren't just eating too much sugar. They're eating too much of everything, including fat. Cutting out the sugar would help (especially because it's often a pointless addition with a painless substitution eg soda to non-sugar soda), but it would not be enough.

Mtinie 10y ago
> Cutting out the sugar would help (especially because it's often a pointless addition with a painless substitution eg soda to non-sugar soda), but it would not be enough. This may not be as useful a replacement as we've always been lead to believe. There's recent research that suggests that the body is tricked into behaving as if the sugar substitutes are actually sugar[0], especially when considering abdominal obesity. --- [0] "Chronic Low-Calorie Sweetener Use and Risk of Abdominal Obesity among Older Adults: A Cohort Study" - http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0167241#sec020 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal....
croon 10y ago
There's a flaw in your logic. True; obese people aren't just eating too much sugar, but also fat (and protein), but the problem is still the sugar. The sugar makes you hungry, making you able to eat more fat (which is highly calorie dense). If you cut the sugar (and other high GI/II carbs), you will eat a lot less of the rest. Sure, the problem in calorie intake is the combination, but eating just fat and protein is fine, while eating only carbs and protein is definitely not.
- DanBC 10y ago
  > The sugar makes you hungry, making you able to eat more fat (which is highly calorie dense). If you cut the sugar (and other high GI/II carbs), you will eat a lot less of the rest. Do you have any credible research on this? I'd be interested to read it.
  - croon 10y ago
    Sure, do you mind if I just link-dump? Otherwise let me know: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24819342 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24819342 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16129086 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16129086 Low carb AND low fat https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3139783/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3139783/ This paper is often quoted when talking about eating regularly vs rarely (IF), in which the subjects were given meals with 70/15/15 of carbs/protein/fat, in which regular eaters consumed less: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10578205 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10578205 This is a paper on a similar trial with 60/14/26 and 49/25/26 macro comp instead, with opposite results (meaning you were full longer when eating less carbs): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034047/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034047/
- iopq 10y ago
  Except for the people who get fat without eating almost any sugar and just eat plain old starches. Not everyone enjoys sweet things.
  - grzm 10y ago
    People are idiosyncratic, and not only that, dynamic. For many things we'll always find exceptions. What matters is understanding solutions that (a) work for many people and (b) work for each individually. Those solutions aren't necessarily the same.
  - croon 10y ago
    Sure, but if you read my entire post I accounted for this. You could just s/sugar/carbs/ in my post if you'd like.
kumarski 10y ago
P(harm your own nutrition | consumed sugar) > P(harm your own nutrition | consumed fats/proteins)