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The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.

by bobsgame 10y ago

gns24 10y ago
And yet the Chinese are installing new wind capacity far faster than the US. How does that work?
- grzm 10y ago
  Speculation: China's power needs are growing more rapidly, so there's more additional power coming online in China. While, in the US, power consumption growth is slower. A larger percentage of overall power sources need to be replaced, where there's less pressure to do so.
  - gns24 10y ago
    China's power consumption has plateaued and it currently has massive over-capacity - so much so that it's halted the construction of some new coal plants. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/china-to-halt-construction-on-coal-fired-power-plants-in-15-regions/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/china-to-halt-con...
    - grzm 10y ago
      Thanks for the link. Puts the lie to my speculation :) Do you have a link for China's wind-powered generation capacity?
- cyphar 10y ago
  [It's a Donald Trump quote.]
  - bobsgame 10y ago
    :-)
- briandear 10y ago
  They aren't doing that to stop 'climate change'; the are doing it to stop actual pollution -- as in particulate pollution that has made places like Beijing uninhabitable. The Chinese would gladly let the Earth get a half degree warmer because that would mean less need for coal for heating, thus reducing their particulate pollution even more. They aren't scared of the CO2 boogeyman, but of actual, cancer causing particulate pollution. They aren't in to the "global warming" thing because they aren't looking for a means to control the means of production or income distribution -- they already do. They have a desire for reducing pollution and achieving energy independence -- they don't buy into to the sky-is-falling hysteria promoted by Western anti-capitalists. Rather ironic one might think.
sctb 10y ago
Whether or not this comment was sarcastic, its net effect would clearly be pro-inflammatory, which is not great for HN. We're after civil and substantive discussion here.
- bobsgame 10y ago
  Yeah, it was in poor taste and I apologize for saying it. I was in a goofy mood and knew it would get a reaction. (It is a Trump tweet from 2012) I think Trump will be more reasonable about the issue during his campaign and he said it at a time when there was less data and less certainty, so it's also not fair to take it out of context.
syngrog66 10y ago
for those who don't know he's quoting Trump. the man who, if becomes President, will arguably have the single greatest impact, as an individual, on whether humanity does enough, fast enough, to forestall/minimize climate disaster. in other words... outlook grim
- bobsgame 10y ago
  It will be OK. I shouldn't have posted that. I think Trump will be more reasonable about it during his campaign and he said it at a time when there was less data and less certainty about the issue, so it's not fair to take it out of context.
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The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.

gns24 10y ago

And yet the Chinese are installing new wind capacity far faster than the US. How does that work?

grzm 10y ago
Speculation: China's power needs are growing more rapidly, so there's more additional power coming online in China. While, in the US, power consumption growth is slower. A larger percentage of overall power sources need to be replaced, where there's less pressure to do so.
- gns24 10y ago
  China's power consumption has plateaued and it currently has massive over-capacity - so much so that it's halted the construction of some new coal plants. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/china-to-halt-construction-on-coal-fired-power-plants-in-15-regions/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/china-to-halt-con...
  - grzm 10y ago
    Thanks for the link. Puts the lie to my speculation :) Do you have a link for China's wind-powered generation capacity?
cyphar 10y ago
[It's a Donald Trump quote.]
- bobsgame 10y ago
  :-)
briandear 10y ago
They aren't doing that to stop 'climate change'; the are doing it to stop actual pollution -- as in particulate pollution that has made places like Beijing uninhabitable. The Chinese would gladly let the Earth get a half degree warmer because that would mean less need for coal for heating, thus reducing their particulate pollution even more. They aren't scared of the CO2 boogeyman, but of actual, cancer causing particulate pollution. They aren't in to the "global warming" thing because they aren't looking for a means to control the means of production or income distribution -- they already do. They have a desire for reducing pollution and achieving energy independence -- they don't buy into to the sky-is-falling hysteria promoted by Western anti-capitalists. Rather ironic one might think.

sctb 10y ago

Whether or not this comment was sarcastic, its net effect would clearly be pro-inflammatory, which is not great for HN. We're after civil and substantive discussion here.

bobsgame 10y ago
Yeah, it was in poor taste and I apologize for saying it. I was in a goofy mood and knew it would get a reaction. (It is a Trump tweet from 2012) I think Trump will be more reasonable about the issue during his campaign and he said it at a time when there was less data and less certainty, so it's also not fair to take it out of context.

syngrog66 10y ago

for those who don't know he's quoting Trump. the man who, if becomes President, will arguably have the single greatest impact, as an individual, on whether humanity does enough, fast enough, to forestall/minimize climate disaster. in other words... outlook grim

bobsgame 10y ago
It will be OK. I shouldn't have posted that. I think Trump will be more reasonable about it during his campaign and he said it at a time when there was less data and less certainty about the issue, so it's not fair to take it out of context.

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