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Pro tip: you need a balanced diet. Despite all the recent conspiracy theories, getting rid of sugar while e.g. eating loads of fat is not going to do you good.

by mastazi 10y ago

Pro tip: you need a balanced diet. Despite all the recent conspiracy theories, getting rid of sugar while e.g. eating loads of fat is not going to do you good. Downvoters: show me academic papers. Not some tabloid mis-quoting some paper, but the actual paper or at least an abstract. Otherwise you're just being dietary fanboys "SV kids getting healthy thanks to one weird trick"

webkike 10y ago
That's not actually true, depending on your definition of "doing good". If you eliminate carbohydrates and eat a high protein/fat diet you are more than likely to lose weight.
- mastazi 10y ago
  High protein, maybe, hi fat, not really sure. Sources?
  - webkike 10y ago
    Assuming you eliminate all carbohydrates: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet
    - mastazi 10y ago
      You would have to eliminate all carbs to achieve ketosis, not just cut on sugar which was the topic of this thread. It should be noted that, since an animal-based diet has a very large ecological footprint, if a significant part of the world population switched to it, we would have an unprecedented global environmental crisis, unless alternative forms of animal diet (e.g. insects) become mainstream.
      - mastazi 10y ago
        See e.g. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030691921100090X http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306919211...
taeric 10y ago
The verbiage "balanced diet" is begging the question. What is a balanced diet? If it is just "one that works" than this is akin to knowing how to efficiently sort a large array from the definition of "elements are in in increasing order." Well, yes, but how do we get there? That is, at best, claims of a balanced diet resort to existence statements, but never evidence ones. I am not going to claim I eat healthy, or that everyone should follow my diet (not many like whiskey nearly as much as I do), however, it is baffling to me the amount of stock people have placed on such things as "square meals", "food pyramids", and finally "balanced diets." So, by all means, build strawmen to knock down against people asking questions. But realize you are likely not helping advance any actual knowledge unless you are presenting evidence.
- Laforet 10y ago
  The human body have an amazing ability to adapt to the environment and we will survive as long as energy intake match energy expenditure. The only category that need some attention is protein where having too little or too much can lead to issues. An Inuit from Greenland is no more or less healthy than an American or farmer from Brazil because of what they eat.
  - colordrops 10y ago
    > An Inuit from Greenland is no more or less healthy than an American or farmer from Brazil because of what they eat. Is that really true though?
    - Laforet 10y ago
      If everything else is controlled for then yes, they should be able to attain a similar level of health and quality of life despite dietary differences. The only proven harm of sugar is that it ruins your teeth. Tooth decay is relatively rare in Europe until the introduction of refined sugar. A small number of people have a hereditary condition that causes a painful reaction to the fructose component of sucrose and they get conditioned from early life to avoid all sweet foods. They tend to have immaculate teeth but are not otherwise more healthy than the general population.
pmoriarty 10y ago
"Current dietary advice says foods containing high levels of saturated fats such as cream, butter, red meat, eggs and cheese should be avoided because they increase the risk of heart disease, Type 2 diabetes and cancer. "But a study published in a leading medical journal has found the opposite is true, with a diet full of natural fats improving the health of people taking part." "The study, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, found overweight middle-aged men who ate high levels of saturated fat and low levels of carbohydrate became slimmer and healthier." http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/742143/fat-is-good-for-you-eat-up-says-new-dietary-research http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/742143/fat-is-goo...
- collyw 10y ago
  You do realize that you are quoting science from the Daily Express. They once published a short article on the benefits of a new drug being created by genetic modification (they have a very heavy anti GM stance in all their articles), but this time it was OK, because the gene was from a potato and not from a test tube.
- mastazi 10y ago
  If you base your health decisions on The Express then why not some anti vac website
nblumoe 10y ago
As a great source for information about scientific results about health and nutrition, I usually recommend http://nutritionfacts.org/ http://nutritionfacts.org/ If you like scientific papers but are not an expert in the nutrition field, this would be a great start. I would also be interested in other's opinions about the site, e.g. if it is unfairly in favor of plant based diets.
dandelion_lover 10y ago
>>show me academic papers https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2012/11/19/ask-the-expert-sugary-drinks-and-genetic-risk-for-obesity/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2012/11/19/ask-...
- mastazi 10y ago
  Not a paper but at least it's a reference to a paper from a reputable source. Now the problem is I couldn't find the part where it says eat 1kg of butter per day. So how does this counter the parent comment?
  - dandelion_lover 10y ago
    I see no reasoning about 1 kg of butter anywhere in the parent comment. The source I provided proofs that most people eat much more sugar than it is advised/healthy and indeed should drastically decrease their sugar consumption. Of course you should not stop eating any sugar. You need 24-36 gramms/day [0]. What you should stop consuming is added sugar. Your food will contain enough sugar anyway. [0] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/added-sugar-in-the-diet/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/a...
    - mastazi 10y ago
      My comment did not state that it's OK to consume added sugar though. I was criticising the "once you cut sugar, anything else is OK" approach, which has been popularised by media in recent times and has no scientific validity whatsoever.

by mastazi 10y ago

webkike 10y ago

That's not actually true, depending on your definition of "doing good". If you eliminate carbohydrates and eat a high protein/fat diet you are more than likely to lose weight.

mastazi 10y ago
High protein, maybe, hi fat, not really sure. Sources?
- webkike 10y ago
  Assuming you eliminate all carbohydrates: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet
  - mastazi 10y ago
    You would have to eliminate all carbs to achieve ketosis, not just cut on sugar which was the topic of this thread. It should be noted that, since an animal-based diet has a very large ecological footprint, if a significant part of the world population switched to it, we would have an unprecedented global environmental crisis, unless alternative forms of animal diet (e.g. insects) become mainstream.
    - mastazi 10y ago
      See e.g. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030691921100090X http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306919211...

taeric 10y ago

The verbiage "balanced diet" is begging the question. What is a balanced diet? If it is just "one that works" than this is akin to knowing how to efficiently sort a large array from the definition of "elements are in in increasing order." Well, yes, but how do we get there? That is, at best, claims of a balanced diet resort to existence statements, but never evidence ones. I am not going to claim I eat healthy, or that everyone should follow my diet (not many like whiskey nearly as much as I do), however, it is baffling to me the amount of stock people have placed on such things as "square meals", "food pyramids", and finally "balanced diets." So, by all means, build strawmen to knock down against people asking questions. But realize you are likely not helping advance any actual knowledge unless you are presenting evidence.

Laforet 10y ago
The human body have an amazing ability to adapt to the environment and we will survive as long as energy intake match energy expenditure. The only category that need some attention is protein where having too little or too much can lead to issues. An Inuit from Greenland is no more or less healthy than an American or farmer from Brazil because of what they eat.
- colordrops 10y ago
  > An Inuit from Greenland is no more or less healthy than an American or farmer from Brazil because of what they eat. Is that really true though?
  - Laforet 10y ago
    If everything else is controlled for then yes, they should be able to attain a similar level of health and quality of life despite dietary differences. The only proven harm of sugar is that it ruins your teeth. Tooth decay is relatively rare in Europe until the introduction of refined sugar. A small number of people have a hereditary condition that causes a painful reaction to the fructose component of sucrose and they get conditioned from early life to avoid all sweet foods. They tend to have immaculate teeth but are not otherwise more healthy than the general population.

pmoriarty 10y ago

"Current dietary advice says foods containing high levels of saturated fats such as cream, butter, red meat, eggs and cheese should be avoided because they increase the risk of heart disease, Type 2 diabetes and cancer. "But a study published in a leading medical journal has found the opposite is true, with a diet full of natural fats improving the health of people taking part." "The study, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, found overweight middle-aged men who ate high levels of saturated fat and low levels of carbohydrate became slimmer and healthier." http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/742143/fat-is-good-for-you-eat-up-says-new-dietary-research http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/742143/fat-is-goo...

collyw 10y ago
You do realize that you are quoting science from the Daily Express. They once published a short article on the benefits of a new drug being created by genetic modification (they have a very heavy anti GM stance in all their articles), but this time it was OK, because the gene was from a potato and not from a test tube.
mastazi 10y ago
If you base your health decisions on The Express then why not some anti vac website

nblumoe 10y ago

As a great source for information about scientific results about health and nutrition, I usually recommend http://nutritionfacts.org/ http://nutritionfacts.org/ If you like scientific papers but are not an expert in the nutrition field, this would be a great start. I would also be interested in other's opinions about the site, e.g. if it is unfairly in favor of plant based diets.

dandelion_lover 10y ago

>>show me academic papers https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2012/11/19/ask-the-expert-sugary-drinks-and-genetic-risk-for-obesity/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2012/11/19/ask-...

mastazi 10y ago
Not a paper but at least it's a reference to a paper from a reputable source. Now the problem is I couldn't find the part where it says eat 1kg of butter per day. So how does this counter the parent comment?
- dandelion_lover 10y ago
  I see no reasoning about 1 kg of butter anywhere in the parent comment. The source I provided proofs that most people eat much more sugar than it is advised/healthy and indeed should drastically decrease their sugar consumption. Of course you should not stop eating any sugar. You need 24-36 gramms/day [0]. What you should stop consuming is added sugar. Your food will contain enough sugar anyway. [0] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/added-sugar-in-the-diet/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/a...
  - mastazi 10y ago
    My comment did not state that it's OK to consume added sugar though. I was criticising the "once you cut sugar, anything else is OK" approach, which has been popularised by media in recent times and has no scientific validity whatsoever.