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My experience with windows 10 has been pretty awesome. And a lot of the points on your list (which is only about 4 points long when eliminating dramatic duplica

My experience with windows 10 has been pretty awesome. And a lot of the points on your list (which is only about 4 points long when eliminating dramatic duplication) come down to being an informed consumer. Secure boot, for example, might be an impediment for you, but I'd rather my grandma's laptop wasn't clandestinely red-pilled with a hypervisor by malware.

milankragujevic 10y ago
I agree with you. But people need to understand that just because someone uses the computer for more than just a browser (I'm not judging those people like my (grand)parents) doesn't mean they have to pay large amounts of money and waste lots of time just to get a computer like it was 5-10 years ago. I want a $200 laptop that I can buy that will let me do with it whatever I want. My salary from freelancing is only about $300/mo so I can't afford a $1000 Dell XPS 13 or something like that, and old Thinkpads are slow and noisy and the batteries don't last long... I was satisfied with a MacBook Air but my father got sick and I had to sell it, and that's why I mainly bought the horrible glorified tablet with a Atom Z3735F CPU. Oh, and I forgot, my mom hates Windows 10 because Flash that she uses to play some games crashes because the display driver it automatically installed for an AMD E1-2100 APU is bad and incompatible. Meanwhile Windows 7 works fine, so that's what I installed for her. My grandparents share a Ubuntu 12.04 which I will upgrade to 14.04 sometime next year, but that's only because their computer can barely run XP and I don't want XP anywhere on my network...
- trome 10y ago
  Why not get a T420 then? I've been picking them up locally for sub-$100 and they'll blow an E1-2100 or a Z3735F out of the water any day.
  - roryisok 10y ago
    He says old ThinkPads are slow and noisy. For reference though, my second hand w510 is an i7/16B RAM, practically silent and plenty fast. It cost me €200. Yeah the battery life is not great, even with a new battery it lasts maybe 2 hours with heavy usage. Hard to beat the power to price ratio though
    - trome 10y ago
      I can understand the impression, but having owned similar chips to what he described, at that price/performance point you are gonna get within 20min of the battery life of either of those chips with a good condition used Thinkpad.
      - roryisok 10y ago
        I guess it depends on which one you buy. I can't get 3 hours out of a new battery for the w510, but the HP Spectre x360 I have for work can go the best part of a day without charging
- milankragujevic 10y ago
  @trome I don't know, I usually buy new hardware, never thought of that, and I find it bulky, I like to carry a 11.6" in my backpack everywhere and a Lenovo 100s is so light. I don't know really, it's my fault anyways...
amluto 10y ago
But no one is going to red-pill your grandma's laptop. They're going to own it the old fashioned way with userspace malware that still steals her bank password.
- CountSessine 10y ago
  Yeah. Well, maybe having AntimalwareServiceExecutable use 50% of the 2.2GHz 2 core CPU constantly will help with that? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't know. I mostly use Linux. But when I do have to use windows, I like windows 10.

milankragujevic 10y ago

I agree with you. But people need to understand that just because someone uses the computer for more than just a browser (I'm not judging those people like my (grand)parents) doesn't mean they have to pay large amounts of money and waste lots of time just to get a computer like it was 5-10 years ago. I want a $200 laptop that I can buy that will let me do with it whatever I want. My salary from freelancing is only about $300/mo so I can't afford a $1000 Dell XPS 13 or something like that, and old Thinkpads are slow and noisy and the batteries don't last long... I was satisfied with a MacBook Air but my father got sick and I had to sell it, and that's why I mainly bought the horrible glorified tablet with a Atom Z3735F CPU. Oh, and I forgot, my mom hates Windows 10 because Flash that she uses to play some games crashes because the display driver it automatically installed for an AMD E1-2100 APU is bad and incompatible. Meanwhile Windows 7 works fine, so that's what I installed for her. My grandparents share a Ubuntu 12.04 which I will upgrade to 14.04 sometime next year, but that's only because their computer can barely run XP and I don't want XP anywhere on my network...

trome 10y ago
Why not get a T420 then? I've been picking them up locally for sub-$100 and they'll blow an E1-2100 or a Z3735F out of the water any day.
- roryisok 10y ago
  He says old ThinkPads are slow and noisy. For reference though, my second hand w510 is an i7/16B RAM, practically silent and plenty fast. It cost me €200. Yeah the battery life is not great, even with a new battery it lasts maybe 2 hours with heavy usage. Hard to beat the power to price ratio though
  - trome 10y ago
    I can understand the impression, but having owned similar chips to what he described, at that price/performance point you are gonna get within 20min of the battery life of either of those chips with a good condition used Thinkpad.
    - roryisok 10y ago
      I guess it depends on which one you buy. I can't get 3 hours out of a new battery for the w510, but the HP Spectre x360 I have for work can go the best part of a day without charging
milankragujevic 10y ago
@trome I don't know, I usually buy new hardware, never thought of that, and I find it bulky, I like to carry a 11.6" in my backpack everywhere and a Lenovo 100s is so light. I don't know really, it's my fault anyways...

amluto 10y ago

But no one is going to red-pill your grandma's laptop. They're going to own it the old fashioned way with userspace malware that still steals her bank password.

CountSessine 10y ago
Yeah. Well, maybe having AntimalwareServiceExecutable use 50% of the 2.2GHz 2 core CPU constantly will help with that? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't know. I mostly use Linux. But when I do have to use windows, I like windows 10.