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I've been using win10 since it came out, despise it, never used the holographic blue lady.

by milankragujevic 10y ago

philliphaydon 10y ago
Windows 10 is the best version of Windows to date. What do you despise about it.
- milankragujevic 10y ago
  1. I bought a laptop with Windows 10 with secure boot that cannot be disabled. I am stuck with it. FOREVER. 2. Forced updates and forced spying that auto-turns-on after updates 3. Cannot turn off updates 4. AntimalwareServiceExecutable uses 50% of my CPU constantly. With 2 cores at 2.2 GHz, that's A LOT. 5. Crashes due to driver issues that Windows installs itself from Windows Update 6. BSODs from drivers from WU 7. More spying 8. Explorer crashes constantly and sometimes the whole computer freezes and I have to restart Please note that this happens on multiple new and old computers, so don't give me the "oh it's a hardware issue" bullshit, my best friend who works as a PC service technician also experiences the same complaints from many people.
  - morganvachon 10y ago
    I had a taste of the update madness just this evening; I was planning to use my wife's laptop to enjoy my screen time in the same room with her while she was reading. We hadn't used the laptop in a few months, so of course the first thing it did when I turned it on was try to catch up on updates. Three hours later, she's done with her book and I'm still at 37%. It literally just finished, she's asleep and I'm typing this as quietly as possible in the dark. Very, very frustrating. I simply don't understand why Microsoft can't do what Linux and the BSDs (including macOS) have been doing for years; no matter how big the update, it can be done in the background and only requires one quick restart to complete.
    - jcheng 10y ago
      I agree, especially for seldom-used Windows machines. The updates take so long, it's hard to imagine what they could be doing. That said, Windows actually has real file locks so it can't update libraries and executables that are in use, unlike Linux. And I have recently noticed Mac OS updates taking a long time at bootup as well, the last one took 15 minutes, I assume because of System Integrity Protection--granted it's very rare unlike with Windows.
  - CountSessine 10y ago
    My experience with windows 10 has been pretty awesome. And a lot of the points on your list (which is only about 4 points long when eliminating dramatic duplication) come down to being an informed consumer. Secure boot, for example, might be an impediment for you, but I'd rather my grandma's laptop wasn't clandestinely red-pilled with a hypervisor by malware.
    - milankragujevic 10y ago
      I agree with you. But people need to understand that just because someone uses the computer for more than just a browser (I'm not judging those people like my (grand)parents) doesn't mean they have to pay large amounts of money and waste lots of time just to get a computer like it was 5-10 years ago. I want a $200 laptop that I can buy that will let me do with it whatever I want. My salary from freelancing is only about $300/mo so I can't afford a $1000 Dell XPS 13 or something like that, and old Thinkpads are slow and noisy and the batteries don't last long... I was satisfied with a MacBook Air but my father got sick and I had to sell it, and that's why I mainly bought the horrible glorified tablet with a Atom Z3735F CPU. Oh, and I forgot, my mom hates Windows 10 because Flash that she uses to play some games crashes because the display driver it automatically installed for an AMD E1-2100 APU is bad and incompatible. Meanwhile Windows 7 works fine, so that's what I installed for her. My grandparents share a Ubuntu 12.04 which I will upgrade to 14.04 sometime next year, but that's only because their computer can barely run XP and I don't want XP anywhere on my network...
      - trome 10y ago
        Why not get a T420 then? I've been picking them up locally for sub-$100 and they'll blow an E1-2100 or a Z3735F out of the water any day.
        roryisok 10y ago
        He says old ThinkPads are slow and noisy. For reference though, my second hand w510 is an i7/16B RAM, practically silent and plenty fast. It cost me €200. Yeah the battery life is not great, even with a new battery it lasts maybe 2 hours with heavy usage. Hard to beat the power to price ratio though
  - josteink 10y ago
    > I bought a laptop with Windows 10 with secure boot that cannot be disabled. I am stuck with it. FOREVER. I guess someone missed the news 5 or so years ago that Linux supports secure boot perfectly well. It's an open spec any anyone is free to implement it. And Linux devs did! Amazing, eh? Looking at your comment, I guess this is how life looks for the people who read and spread FUD on the internet without never actually checking out any of the claims them selves. You've locked yourself down. And secure boot had nothing to do with it. Interesting eh?
    - milankragujevic 10y ago
      I'm writing Ubuntu 16.10 to a USB now. Will report back if it works and how well it works. Thanks.
      - trome 10y ago
        Debian works too, just FYI.
        milankragujevic 10y ago
        Don't like it, lack of proprietary drivers is a no-go for me and my cheap hardware.
        trome 10y ago
        The non-free repository is well maintained, it is not as if Debian is Trisquel or something, the Debian Developers are reasonable people.
        milankragujevic 10y ago
        I understand. I used to use Debian on an old Radeon card in 2009 on my first computer (was 9 yrs old at the time, got a family friend to install Debian Lenny for me). Used it up to Wheezy. Then I got new hardware, Debian wouldn't recognize the WiFi card and I kind of switched to Ubuntu. Then got other new hardware, Linux wouldn't work, shitty AMD APUs... I'm right now installing Ubuntu 16.10 on a new model netbook and it works pretty well, everything was recognized, and I'm typing this on it. It's very smooth and fast, but on an E1-2100 AMD APU it's extremely stuttering and slow and unreliable and crashing. And that's both with FOSS and Closed Source drivers.
  - Tepix 10y ago
    You forgot to mention: ads inside the OS. Preinstalled crapware.
  - MertsA 10y ago
    >1. I bought a laptop with Windows 10 with secure boot that cannot be disabled. I am stuck with it. FOREVER. I really doubt this is the case. Microsoft actually mandated that all OEMs provide a method to disable Secure Boot and allow for loading in arbitrary, user-defined keys as part of the Windows certification process. As for the rest of it though it sounds spot on.
    - milankragujevic 10y ago
      I just checked, You're right. I'm sorry, I didn't look at it. Basically to disable SecureBoot you must disable UEFI. SecureBoot can't be changed but boot mode can and it's either UEFI or Legacy. UEFI is 32bit so it's somewhat of an issue, but not that big of a deal, Ubuntu handles it.
      - MertsA 10y ago
        What laptop? That still wouldn't meet Microsoft's requirements for Windows certification.
      - deleted 10y ago
        [deleted]
  - immigrantsheep 10y ago
    O&O windows 10 shudup. Google it. You can disable a lot of stuff with that.
  - Warp__ 10y ago
    I simply don't understand how some people people (Such as you) are having so many issues. I'm not denying you have, but I've upgraded upwards of 10 PCs with hardware all the Way from Summer 2016 to Early 2008/2007, and except on the truly geriatric ex-XP hardware, I've had barely any issues. One Acer Laptop has a crashy sound driver, but apart from that...
- roryisok 10y ago
  Glad to hear someone else who shares my opinion. It's a great OS
Tempest1981 10y ago
> never used the holographic blue lady. Cortana through the ages: https://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Cortana#Appearance https://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Cortana#Appearance

I've been using win10 since it came out, despise it, never used the holographic blue lady.

philliphaydon 10y ago

Windows 10 is the best version of Windows to date. What do you despise about it.

milankragujevic 10y ago
1. I bought a laptop with Windows 10 with secure boot that cannot be disabled. I am stuck with it. FOREVER. 2. Forced updates and forced spying that auto-turns-on after updates 3. Cannot turn off updates 4. AntimalwareServiceExecutable uses 50% of my CPU constantly. With 2 cores at 2.2 GHz, that's A LOT. 5. Crashes due to driver issues that Windows installs itself from Windows Update 6. BSODs from drivers from WU 7. More spying 8. Explorer crashes constantly and sometimes the whole computer freezes and I have to restart Please note that this happens on multiple new and old computers, so don't give me the "oh it's a hardware issue" bullshit, my best friend who works as a PC service technician also experiences the same complaints from many people.
- morganvachon 10y ago
  I had a taste of the update madness just this evening; I was planning to use my wife's laptop to enjoy my screen time in the same room with her while she was reading. We hadn't used the laptop in a few months, so of course the first thing it did when I turned it on was try to catch up on updates. Three hours later, she's done with her book and I'm still at 37%. It literally just finished, she's asleep and I'm typing this as quietly as possible in the dark. Very, very frustrating. I simply don't understand why Microsoft can't do what Linux and the BSDs (including macOS) have been doing for years; no matter how big the update, it can be done in the background and only requires one quick restart to complete.
  - jcheng 10y ago
    I agree, especially for seldom-used Windows machines. The updates take so long, it's hard to imagine what they could be doing. That said, Windows actually has real file locks so it can't update libraries and executables that are in use, unlike Linux. And I have recently noticed Mac OS updates taking a long time at bootup as well, the last one took 15 minutes, I assume because of System Integrity Protection--granted it's very rare unlike with Windows.
- CountSessine 10y ago
  My experience with windows 10 has been pretty awesome. And a lot of the points on your list (which is only about 4 points long when eliminating dramatic duplication) come down to being an informed consumer. Secure boot, for example, might be an impediment for you, but I'd rather my grandma's laptop wasn't clandestinely red-pilled with a hypervisor by malware.
  - milankragujevic 10y ago
    I agree with you. But people need to understand that just because someone uses the computer for more than just a browser (I'm not judging those people like my (grand)parents) doesn't mean they have to pay large amounts of money and waste lots of time just to get a computer like it was 5-10 years ago. I want a $200 laptop that I can buy that will let me do with it whatever I want. My salary from freelancing is only about $300/mo so I can't afford a $1000 Dell XPS 13 or something like that, and old Thinkpads are slow and noisy and the batteries don't last long... I was satisfied with a MacBook Air but my father got sick and I had to sell it, and that's why I mainly bought the horrible glorified tablet with a Atom Z3735F CPU. Oh, and I forgot, my mom hates Windows 10 because Flash that she uses to play some games crashes because the display driver it automatically installed for an AMD E1-2100 APU is bad and incompatible. Meanwhile Windows 7 works fine, so that's what I installed for her. My grandparents share a Ubuntu 12.04 which I will upgrade to 14.04 sometime next year, but that's only because their computer can barely run XP and I don't want XP anywhere on my network...
    - trome 10y ago
      Why not get a T420 then? I've been picking them up locally for sub-$100 and they'll blow an E1-2100 or a Z3735F out of the water any day.
      - roryisok 10y ago
        He says old ThinkPads are slow and noisy. For reference though, my second hand w510 is an i7/16B RAM, practically silent and plenty fast. It cost me €200. Yeah the battery life is not great, even with a new battery it lasts maybe 2 hours with heavy usage. Hard to beat the power to price ratio though
- josteink 10y ago
  > I bought a laptop with Windows 10 with secure boot that cannot be disabled. I am stuck with it. FOREVER. I guess someone missed the news 5 or so years ago that Linux supports secure boot perfectly well. It's an open spec any anyone is free to implement it. And Linux devs did! Amazing, eh? Looking at your comment, I guess this is how life looks for the people who read and spread FUD on the internet without never actually checking out any of the claims them selves. You've locked yourself down. And secure boot had nothing to do with it. Interesting eh?
  - milankragujevic 10y ago
    I'm writing Ubuntu 16.10 to a USB now. Will report back if it works and how well it works. Thanks.
    - trome 10y ago
      Debian works too, just FYI.
      - milankragujevic 10y ago
        Don't like it, lack of proprietary drivers is a no-go for me and my cheap hardware.
        trome 10y ago
        The non-free repository is well maintained, it is not as if Debian is Trisquel or something, the Debian Developers are reasonable people.
        milankragujevic 10y ago
        I understand. I used to use Debian on an old Radeon card in 2009 on my first computer (was 9 yrs old at the time, got a family friend to install Debian Lenny for me). Used it up to Wheezy. Then I got new hardware, Debian wouldn't recognize the WiFi card and I kind of switched to Ubuntu. Then got other new hardware, Linux wouldn't work, shitty AMD APUs... I'm right now installing Ubuntu 16.10 on a new model netbook and it works pretty well, everything was recognized, and I'm typing this on it. It's very smooth and fast, but on an E1-2100 AMD APU it's extremely stuttering and slow and unreliable and crashing. And that's both with FOSS and Closed Source drivers.
- Tepix 10y ago
  You forgot to mention: ads inside the OS. Preinstalled crapware.
- MertsA 10y ago
  >1. I bought a laptop with Windows 10 with secure boot that cannot be disabled. I am stuck with it. FOREVER. I really doubt this is the case. Microsoft actually mandated that all OEMs provide a method to disable Secure Boot and allow for loading in arbitrary, user-defined keys as part of the Windows certification process. As for the rest of it though it sounds spot on.
  - milankragujevic 10y ago
    I just checked, You're right. I'm sorry, I didn't look at it. Basically to disable SecureBoot you must disable UEFI. SecureBoot can't be changed but boot mode can and it's either UEFI or Legacy. UEFI is 32bit so it's somewhat of an issue, but not that big of a deal, Ubuntu handles it.
    - MertsA 10y ago
      What laptop? That still wouldn't meet Microsoft's requirements for Windows certification.
    - deleted 10y ago
      [deleted]
- immigrantsheep 10y ago
  O&O windows 10 shudup. Google it. You can disable a lot of stuff with that.
- Warp__ 10y ago
  I simply don't understand how some people people (Such as you) are having so many issues. I'm not denying you have, but I've upgraded upwards of 10 PCs with hardware all the Way from Summer 2016 to Early 2008/2007, and except on the truly geriatric ex-XP hardware, I've had barely any issues. One Acer Laptop has a crashy sound driver, but apart from that...
roryisok 10y ago
Glad to hear someone else who shares my opinion. It's a great OS

Tempest1981 10y ago

> never used the holographic blue lady. Cortana through the ages: https://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Cortana#Appearance https://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Cortana#Appearance