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Have you ever been to prison? That's where the US Government throws people who they deem to be "bad people" for about 5-10 years, sometimes forced to do menial

by jayajay 10y ago

Have you ever been to prison? That's where the US Government throws people who they deem to be "bad people" for about 5-10 years, sometimes forced to do menial work. That ruins lives just like what you read in the passage. One key difference is that now, ruining lives has been institutionalized, so people are somehow OK with it. It is what it is, though, at the end of the day.

andrepd 10y ago
Don't the people got shot/raped/beaten/robbed by those people had their lives ruined too?
- laser 10y ago
  About half the people in prison are for non-violent drug offenses: https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offen...
- jayajay 10y ago
  Don't the other people on the ship get to avoid disease, hunger, and burdens? I'm afraid it can justified either way. Doesn't change what it is -- locking people up in servitude or cages for extended periods of time.
  - andrepd 10y ago
    We can't let them go free to keep committing crimes and harm other people. So if you criticise the model, you must provide a better one.
    - jayajay 10y ago
      I'm just stating a fact about people locked up in isolated rooms against their will and how that's institutionalized. Is it OK? Idk. Is it true? Yes, it is physically true. We shouldn't avoid stating facts which make people uncomfortable. We should not avoid stating facts without any emotional connotations, otherwise, people would tend to think about things which made them comfortable -- and they have a confirmation bias. For example, if you were to say that the average Indian penis length was 4.7 inches, maybe that would make me uncomfortable, because I am Indian myself (which I actually am). Maybe it wouldn't make me uncomfortable because that doesn't say anything about me specifically (which it actually doesn't). So, yeah how can we make you uncomfortable? A murderer (killed two people and shot up a school, did 20+ years in prison) once threatened me while I was smoking pot with him. We ended being cool with each other anyways. Turns out, he was an incredibly fucking smart guy -- and he probably didn't need to be in prison for 20+ years. Of course, I'm not trying to say that all people in prison are like that. Of course, not. But, it is what it is, nonetheless.

by jayajay 10y ago

andrepd 10y ago

Don't the people got shot/raped/beaten/robbed by those people had their lives ruined too?

laser 10y ago
About half the people in prison are for non-violent drug offenses: https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offen...
jayajay 10y ago
Don't the other people on the ship get to avoid disease, hunger, and burdens? I'm afraid it can justified either way. Doesn't change what it is -- locking people up in servitude or cages for extended periods of time.
- andrepd 10y ago
  We can't let them go free to keep committing crimes and harm other people. So if you criticise the model, you must provide a better one.
  - jayajay 10y ago
    I'm just stating a fact about people locked up in isolated rooms against their will and how that's institutionalized. Is it OK? Idk. Is it true? Yes, it is physically true. We shouldn't avoid stating facts which make people uncomfortable. We should not avoid stating facts without any emotional connotations, otherwise, people would tend to think about things which made them comfortable -- and they have a confirmation bias. For example, if you were to say that the average Indian penis length was 4.7 inches, maybe that would make me uncomfortable, because I am Indian myself (which I actually am). Maybe it wouldn't make me uncomfortable because that doesn't say anything about me specifically (which it actually doesn't). So, yeah how can we make you uncomfortable? A murderer (killed two people and shot up a school, did 20+ years in prison) once threatened me while I was smoking pot with him. We ended being cool with each other anyways. Turns out, he was an incredibly fucking smart guy -- and he probably didn't need to be in prison for 20+ years. Of course, I'm not trying to say that all people in prison are like that. Of course, not. But, it is what it is, nonetheless.