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The only reason for still using ABP is because you haven't heard of uBlock.

by ryuuchin 10y ago

ClassyJacket 10y ago
Or because you use Safari.
- ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
  Could you explain why you use Safari, other than it was pre-installed with your OS>
  - nicolas_t 10y ago
    Safari is actually really good when it comes to battery life. If I use Chrome (or Firefox to a lesser extent), my macbook's battery empties 30% faster. So, when my computer is not plugged in I tend to use Safari. That said, there's now ublock origin for Safari which is what I use.
  - username223 10y ago
    As others mentioned on another thread here recently: * lower power/memory use and greater battery life vs. Chrome or Mozilla * being written by a hardware company vs. a surveillance company
    - ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
      Yes, lower power/memory usage equals better battery life at the cost of performance, Safari is not nearly as perfomant as Chrome or Firefox, and to be honest if you're developing the browser is not your main energy drain. Naive to put trust in either companies use of your details
      - fastball 10y ago
        What? The browser is 100% my main energy drain when I'm developing. Sublime Text barely takes up any of my power or memory. Additionally, I don't use a single website where I noticed a performance hit when I switched from Chrome to Safari.
      - staticassertion 10y ago
        > Yes, lower power/memory usage equals better battery life at the cost of performance, This is almost never actually the case. In reality, better performance tends to mean better battery due to improved usage of resources.
        ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
        This is kind of a ridiculous statement. Not a single category other than energy consumption does Safari benchmark near Chrome, Firefox or even Edge http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/best-browser-internet-explorer-vs-chrome-vs-firefox-vs-safari-vs-edge/3/ http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/best-browser-internet... Any of you are free to offer actual data proving otherwise
        nicolas_t 10y ago
        Anecdotical I know but on mac, when using velocityjs to change the css transform value (translate, scale and rotate) of 100+ spans, Safari is faster and the animation is smoother than Chrome. I've tested that on an imac, a macbook pro and a mac pro. Also, they don't mention in the benchmark you've linked if they're benchmarking the windows version or the mac version of Chrome. The windows version is faster in quite a few cases in my experience. Finally, while Chrome definitely has a better html5 compliance, there's one thing I hate about Chrome. It doesn't keep the state of the previous page when using the back button unlike Firefox, Safari and IE. See this: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=2879 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=2879
        staticassertion 10y ago
        Err, I didn't say anything about any browser. I said that performance and battery life are not at odds, they often go hand in hand.
        ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
        Efficiency and energy use go hand and hand, performance and energy use often do not.
      - username223 10y ago
        > ...if you're developing the browser is not your main energy drain. This has not been my experience, but maybe that's just because I use an ancient text editor (Emacs). If my several-year-old computer with 8GB of RAM goes into a paging frenzy, the browser is usually at fault. Emacs may be using a few hundred megabytes at most. As for privacy concerns, it's your call. Apple sells expensive hardware; Google sells surveillance-based advertising; Mozilla... sells its search box to either Google or Microsoft? I've made my uneasy peace with this choice.
        ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
        Can't vouch for your ancient machine or text editor, but writing and compiling on a modern machine with intellisense, the editor uses a lot more energy than the browser https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~weimer/p/weimer-asplos2014.pdf https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~weimer/p/weimer-asplos2014.pdf
        username223 10y ago
        This paper didn't seem to deal specifically with compilers, editors, browsers, or intellisense. But I'm curious what counts as "modern" -- how often should I replace my personal machine, or what should its specs be, so people like you don't call it "ancient"? (I already know that I should be using LightTable or Atom or IntelliJ to be "modern" in terms of editors.)
  - millstone 10y ago
    Best support for using multiple windows instead of tabs Reader button Scrolling performance Most Mac-like UI Privacy focus Memory use and battery life
- detaro 10y ago
  there is this fork: https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari (found via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13112280 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13112280)
- lstamour 10y ago
  Try native Content Blocking in Safari via Nope or 1Blocker rather than ABP etc.
cm2187 10y ago
What's the best solution for iOS?
- rnhmjoj 10y ago
  I use Refine: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/refine-customizable-ad-blocker/id1011678834 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/refine-customizable-ad-block...
- swinglock 10y ago
  I don't know if it's the best but Adguard is both free and excellent.
- colejohnson66 10y ago
  For your home wifi network, look at Pi-Hole[0], a DNS based ad blocker [0]: https://pi-hole.net https://pi-hole.net
  - feld 10y ago
    I'd rather use OpenDNS to block the malware domains than use DNS based ad blocker
- bigbugbag 10y ago
  Canning it and never look back ? or use focus[1] instead of safari, it's what's recommended on the "block ads" website[2]. [1]: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/focus-by-firefox-content-blocking/id1055677337 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/focus-by-firefox-content-blo... [2]: https://blockads.fivefilters.org/ https://blockads.fivefilters.org/
- nyolfen 10y ago
  i use adblock[0], which while generically named, works phenomenally well. it's a pay app, which is a turnoff for some people, but well worth two dollars to me and is under active development. it uses a local vpn with host based filtering to adblock domains on all apps. the same developer also has a safari plugin adblocker, ADmosphere[1], which is free. alternately, or concurrently, if you prefer safari plugin adblockers, mozilla has one called focus[2], which they've recently expanded into an ephemeral browser that you can easily clear all local data on to avoid tracking. it's handy for one-off searches you don't necessarily want added to tracking network profiles of yourself. [0] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adblock/id691121579?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adblock/id691121579?mt=8 [1] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/admosphere-free-ad-blocker/id1060126069?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/admosphere-free-ad-blocker/i... [2] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/firefox-focus-privacy-browser/id1055677337?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/firefox-focus-privacy-browse...
tscs37 10y ago
Or maybe because some people prefer it? I've heard of uBlock and I continue to use ABP, so I guess your theory falls flat. :)
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  ryuuchin wasn't suggesting people like you don't exist, just that such people are not reasonable. Theory holds.
  - tscs37 10y ago
    I feel myself being very reasonable. If you disagree, would you mind explaining why or is that unreasonable to ask? Theory does not hold.
    - kuschku 10y ago
      1. uBlock can be configured to show acceptable ads (it’s just opt-in). 2. uBlock is faster than ABP. So you have zero disadvantages, but one advantage. As a result, it’s strictly superior.
      - tscs37 10y ago
        Point 1 is basically what your personal preference is. I prefer it opt out as this will lead to more people supporting websites with ads. (defaults matter, check out organ donor studies on this) While I admit that ublock is faster, Adblock plus has much better integration and looks better. When it's installed it presents me with very few options and I'm basically good to go without changing and settings. Additionally I use umatrix which covers and options abp does not,which helps abps speed to almost not matter anymore. Lastly I would add that the latencies I've measured to be caused by Adblock plus fall almost into the region of "doesn't matter". What little benefit ublock has given me the Times I've tested it was barely worth it. Purely by "it's faster" you should probably be using ed over any other editor right now since ed is objectively faster than any other POSIX editor. Or pretty much most editors. >strictly I'd refrain from using absolutes when making statements about personal opinion. It makes you look like a fool. >no advantages As stated earlier, abp has much better integration. It's one advantage vs one advantage. Seems like personal choice to me.
contravariant 10y ago
Maybe, but only because the people for whom uBlock is too complicated haven't heard of uBlock. Although for those people I usually recommend Adguard, not Adblock plus.

The only reason for still using ABP is because you haven't heard of uBlock.

ClassyJacket 10y ago

Or because you use Safari.

ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
Could you explain why you use Safari, other than it was pre-installed with your OS>
- nicolas_t 10y ago
  Safari is actually really good when it comes to battery life. If I use Chrome (or Firefox to a lesser extent), my macbook's battery empties 30% faster. So, when my computer is not plugged in I tend to use Safari. That said, there's now ublock origin for Safari which is what I use.
- username223 10y ago
  As others mentioned on another thread here recently: * lower power/memory use and greater battery life vs. Chrome or Mozilla * being written by a hardware company vs. a surveillance company
  - ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
    Yes, lower power/memory usage equals better battery life at the cost of performance, Safari is not nearly as perfomant as Chrome or Firefox, and to be honest if you're developing the browser is not your main energy drain. Naive to put trust in either companies use of your details
    - fastball 10y ago
      What? The browser is 100% my main energy drain when I'm developing. Sublime Text barely takes up any of my power or memory. Additionally, I don't use a single website where I noticed a performance hit when I switched from Chrome to Safari.
    - staticassertion 10y ago
      > Yes, lower power/memory usage equals better battery life at the cost of performance, This is almost never actually the case. In reality, better performance tends to mean better battery due to improved usage of resources.
      - ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
        This is kind of a ridiculous statement. Not a single category other than energy consumption does Safari benchmark near Chrome, Firefox or even Edge http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/best-browser-internet-explorer-vs-chrome-vs-firefox-vs-safari-vs-edge/3/ http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/best-browser-internet... Any of you are free to offer actual data proving otherwise
        nicolas_t 10y ago
        Anecdotical I know but on mac, when using velocityjs to change the css transform value (translate, scale and rotate) of 100+ spans, Safari is faster and the animation is smoother than Chrome. I've tested that on an imac, a macbook pro and a mac pro. Also, they don't mention in the benchmark you've linked if they're benchmarking the windows version or the mac version of Chrome. The windows version is faster in quite a few cases in my experience. Finally, while Chrome definitely has a better html5 compliance, there's one thing I hate about Chrome. It doesn't keep the state of the previous page when using the back button unlike Firefox, Safari and IE. See this: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=2879 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=2879
        staticassertion 10y ago
        Err, I didn't say anything about any browser. I said that performance and battery life are not at odds, they often go hand in hand.
        ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
        Efficiency and energy use go hand and hand, performance and energy use often do not.
    - username223 10y ago
      > ...if you're developing the browser is not your main energy drain. This has not been my experience, but maybe that's just because I use an ancient text editor (Emacs). If my several-year-old computer with 8GB of RAM goes into a paging frenzy, the browser is usually at fault. Emacs may be using a few hundred megabytes at most. As for privacy concerns, it's your call. Apple sells expensive hardware; Google sells surveillance-based advertising; Mozilla... sells its search box to either Google or Microsoft? I've made my uneasy peace with this choice.
      - ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
        Can't vouch for your ancient machine or text editor, but writing and compiling on a modern machine with intellisense, the editor uses a lot more energy than the browser https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~weimer/p/weimer-asplos2014.pdf https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~weimer/p/weimer-asplos2014.pdf
        username223 10y ago
        This paper didn't seem to deal specifically with compilers, editors, browsers, or intellisense. But I'm curious what counts as "modern" -- how often should I replace my personal machine, or what should its specs be, so people like you don't call it "ancient"? (I already know that I should be using LightTable or Atom or IntelliJ to be "modern" in terms of editors.)
- millstone 10y ago
  Best support for using multiple windows instead of tabs Reader button Scrolling performance Most Mac-like UI Privacy focus Memory use and battery life
detaro 10y ago
there is this fork: https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari (found via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13112280 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13112280)
lstamour 10y ago
Try native Content Blocking in Safari via Nope or 1Blocker rather than ABP etc.

cm2187 10y ago

What's the best solution for iOS?

rnhmjoj 10y ago
I use Refine: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/refine-customizable-ad-blocker/id1011678834 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/refine-customizable-ad-block...
swinglock 10y ago
I don't know if it's the best but Adguard is both free and excellent.
colejohnson66 10y ago
For your home wifi network, look at Pi-Hole[0], a DNS based ad blocker [0]: https://pi-hole.net https://pi-hole.net
- feld 10y ago
  I'd rather use OpenDNS to block the malware domains than use DNS based ad blocker
bigbugbag 10y ago
Canning it and never look back ? or use focus[1] instead of safari, it's what's recommended on the "block ads" website[2]. [1]: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/focus-by-firefox-content-blocking/id1055677337 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/focus-by-firefox-content-blo... [2]: https://blockads.fivefilters.org/ https://blockads.fivefilters.org/
nyolfen 10y ago
i use adblock[0], which while generically named, works phenomenally well. it's a pay app, which is a turnoff for some people, but well worth two dollars to me and is under active development. it uses a local vpn with host based filtering to adblock domains on all apps. the same developer also has a safari plugin adblocker, ADmosphere[1], which is free. alternately, or concurrently, if you prefer safari plugin adblockers, mozilla has one called focus[2], which they've recently expanded into an ephemeral browser that you can easily clear all local data on to avoid tracking. it's handy for one-off searches you don't necessarily want added to tracking network profiles of yourself. [0] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adblock/id691121579?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adblock/id691121579?mt=8 [1] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/admosphere-free-ad-blocker/id1060126069?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/admosphere-free-ad-blocker/i... [2] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/firefox-focus-privacy-browser/id1055677337?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/firefox-focus-privacy-browse...

tscs37 10y ago

Or maybe because some people prefer it? I've heard of uBlock and I continue to use ABP, so I guess your theory falls flat. :)

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
ryuuchin wasn't suggesting people like you don't exist, just that such people are not reasonable. Theory holds.
- tscs37 10y ago
  I feel myself being very reasonable. If you disagree, would you mind explaining why or is that unreasonable to ask? Theory does not hold.
  - kuschku 10y ago
    1. uBlock can be configured to show acceptable ads (it’s just opt-in). 2. uBlock is faster than ABP. So you have zero disadvantages, but one advantage. As a result, it’s strictly superior.
    - tscs37 10y ago
      Point 1 is basically what your personal preference is. I prefer it opt out as this will lead to more people supporting websites with ads. (defaults matter, check out organ donor studies on this) While I admit that ublock is faster, Adblock plus has much better integration and looks better. When it's installed it presents me with very few options and I'm basically good to go without changing and settings. Additionally I use umatrix which covers and options abp does not,which helps abps speed to almost not matter anymore. Lastly I would add that the latencies I've measured to be caused by Adblock plus fall almost into the region of "doesn't matter". What little benefit ublock has given me the Times I've tested it was barely worth it. Purely by "it's faster" you should probably be using ed over any other editor right now since ed is objectively faster than any other POSIX editor. Or pretty much most editors. >strictly I'd refrain from using absolutes when making statements about personal opinion. It makes you look like a fool. >no advantages As stated earlier, abp has much better integration. It's one advantage vs one advantage. Seems like personal choice to me.

contravariant 10y ago

Maybe, but only because the people for whom uBlock is too complicated haven't heard of uBlock. Although for those people I usually recommend Adguard, not Adblock plus.