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Last.Backend becomes open-source
- olalonde 10y agoHow does this compare to Deis? https://deis.com/ https://deis.com/
- undassa 10y agoHi, I'm one of Last.Backend maintainers. We are cloud, not only PaaS. Cloud with CI/CD included by default. But Deis is solution you need to deploy on your servers. With LB you don't need to use another hosting, setup it, deploy another solutions to get our features.
- swinglock 10y agoIf a private self-hosted PaaS is what I want, then how does it compare to Deis Workflow?
- undassa 10y agoLast.Backend a bit more complex solution. In main idea, with LB you'll can build, deploy and auto-deploy your apps from git repos, via push-2-deploy, or by hook from docker registry. We are creating now our registry with approved apps templates, which you can deploy with 1 click. This is a complex solution in the box. If you have more questions, I'll try to answer. BTW we are preparing our documentation to cover more possible questions.
- cies 10y agoDeis also does push-2-deploy. Still I'm not sure how they compare. From my experience with Deis I expect it to serve in pretty much the same niche like LB, but to be more mature and feature complete.
- undassa 10y agoYeah, Deis is good.. We inspected it all. We are a quite young, but have a big motivation to create a new good cloud solution. So we are always open to discuss and would like to hear your ideas and features you need in modern cloud.
- aioprisan 10y agoI think a comparison page with other solutions out there would help point out the differences, because most people can't tell what the features are that you're providing and how they compare with the same feature with a different provider. Think a 3 column, 10 row table with the other 2 main competitors.
- undassa 10y agoThis will be the first we'll add on our home page. We'll be at next release. Thx!
- SEJeff 10y agoAll of the features you've described thusfar are also in RedHat's Openshift, which is a thick veneer ontop of Kubernetes. Can you comment on how you differentiate between them and last.backend?
- undassa 10y agoAs a good comment below - We'll add a table with our differentiation with most known tools. Just give us a bit time.
- LogicX 10y agosimilarly, how does it compare with [dokku](http://dokku.viewdocs.io/dokku/ http://dokku.viewdocs.io/dokku/)?
- undassa 10y agodokku and deis is tools you need to setup on your infrastructure. They provides you heroku like style push to deploy. LB is complete platform build on top of kubernetes, support clusters, apps builds (like dokku and deis), apps build from git url, GitHub, ... , deploy from prepared templates (mongoldb cluster, elk cluster.. ) supports custom docker registry.. hook system and many other things. LB Cloud is an apps cloud hosting comes with LB under the hood. Where you can buy compute cloud resources and receive all LB functionality with dashboard and other cool tools.
- adeptima 10y agoHello my Russian friends, it would be really nice if you can find someone who can write down more details about lastbackend http://thenewstack.io/kubernetes-not-scary-complex-even-confusing/ http://thenewstack.io/kubernetes-not-scary-complex-even-conf... Starting from this https://github.com/lastbackend/lastbackend/wiki/Getting-Started https://github.com/lastbackend/lastbackend/wiki/Getting-Star...
- undassa 10y agoHi) Yeah. We'll starting today ))
- sandGorgon 10y agohow are you deploying lastbackend itself ? it seems you are not using any of the popular tools like kops or kargo. It would be interesting to know how you are managing storage (statefulsets, etc)
- undassa 10y agoWe are manually deploying it. We'll describe this process a bit later in our docs. And provide scripts for ansible. All information about how we managing storage, we'll describe in separate blog post. I think it will be interesting for devs and ops )
- sandGorgon 10y agoit would be great if you could fit in with the kargo or kops ecosystem (P. S. kargo is built on top of ansible). Even if you dont consider the fact that it will be easier adoption for the community... it will help you in the long run because of the momentum behind these cluster ops tools.
- jazoom 10y agoFor anyone else having trouble finding Kargo, it looks like it's now called Kubespray.
- jondubois 10y agoIt seems that everyone and everyone's mums have their own Kubernetes PaaS platform these days. It's such a competitive area. That's actually quite surprising considering how complex the technology is.
- tyingq 10y ago>That's actually quite surprising considering how complex the technology is I tried installing Kubenetes on my own set of VPS instances to play around with it and learn, and initially failed. I'm sure I could have figured it out eventually, but installing k8s isn't simple. I found stackpoint.io, and was pretty impressed. Though they support other backends, like AWS, Google Cloud, and so on, they also support Digital Ocean. So, I was able to spin up a kube cluster with almost zero effort, and the low runtime cost of 3 DO VPS instances. I'm not sure I would use it for production, since it has dependencies on their infrastructure. But, for experimenting and learning, it was a huge help. It's also, at least for now, free. Disclaimer: No association with stackpoint, just a happy customer.
- human_error 10y agoIt's easier to install and maintain than Mesos. If you're not doing any big-data (which is 99.99% of people out there), it's good enough.
- esteer 10y agoHalf way through, I realized I wasn't reading about last.fm's backend being opensource :)
- gbrits 10y agoJust to get this straight: Do you still need to host with lastbackend or will it be possible to provision some servers with aws, or bare metal with Hetzner and use this opensource tool to somehow manage kubernetes on top?
- undassa 10y agoYou can use open-source version on any servers you want. But if you'll use LB servers, you'll get a bit more )
- webmaven 10y agoDoes LB give you a separate instance of LB, or are you on a shared instance with other customers?
- undassa 10y agoWe have many options. Shared instances and private instance. you can choose what you prefer
- webmaven 10y agoInteresting. So you would support a private instance running a customized LB, and potentially give that person (if they were a contributor) a 20% discount?
- undassa 10y agoWhy not. Dedicated cloud option. We prefer to run our LB version on it, but why not. If you'll need it - we try to help.
- Aaron1011 10y ago> Last.Backend provides some benefits for active contributors, via 20% discount for our cloud resources. That's interesting - this is the first project I've heard of that does something like that.
- undassa 10y agoThis is only a first our benefit. We have resource - we're ready to share it. Why not?) I hope, we'll can offer much more soon.
- tux1968 10y agoThe docs say that RethinkDB is a requirement. Is anyone maintaining RethinkDB in a sustainable way at this point now that they've shut down? Seems questionable to rely on it for infrastructure if nobody is on the hook to keep it viable and updated.
- undassa 10y agoRethinkDB now maintained by community. If it something will be bad with it, we'll change it to something. I guess we'll add ability to support custom databases by choice a bit later.
- Gys 10y agoSo what is the relation with deployit.io ? I see lots of similarities in concept, website and prices.
- sytse 10y agoIs there documentation on how to make your own template?
- Veratyr 10y agoSorry, this is a little off topic but I'm curious, what's the startup/tech world like in Russia? My wife's Russian and I'd love to live there, I just get the feeling the job market for engineers isn't that great.
- xemoka 10y agoBloomberg's Hello World just did a fairly good* episode titled: "How to build a sovereign tech empire: Russian Edition": https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-hello-world-russia/?cmpid=BBD113016_BIZ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-hello-world-russia/?... * from the perspective of an outsider who doesn't live there, so my "fairly good" estimate might be total horsehockey.
- undassa 10y agoHmm.. Our servers are around the world. Our team is distributed around the world. There is 21 century now and from my opinion tech startups now are focused globally. Thx to the internet and another technologies. You don't need to be in Europe to create cloud in Europe. And you can always jump to the airplane and be anywhere in a day. But there is a big plus - here we have great engineers and low cost ecosystem to live and make great things.
- joshmn 10y agoI know you guys know this, but just so you hear it again, documentation documentation documentation! :) I remember seeing this in beta when it was posted here — the design was beautiful. It's just as nice now, though less tech-y. Really looking forward to seeing some Ruby examples.
- undassa 10y agoThank you. We are focusing on it now.
- webmaven 10y agoCan Last.Backend deploy LB clusters (ie. is it self hosting)?