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Right now, Uber's business model is throw so much VC money at everything that everybody else goes out of business, and hope the taxis die before you run out of

Right now, Uber's business model is throw so much VC money at everything that everybody else goes out of business, and hope the taxis die before you run out of VC money.

emilsedgh 10y ago
So Uber's short/mid term plan is to put all taxis out of business by lowering prices using VC money and their long term plan is to use autopilot cars to leave all drivers jobless. And the other day there was an engineer from Uber commenting how ethical the company was. I'm sure their engineering team is very ethical and responsible. But their business model and plan is actually very questionable. It's like they are hiding the highly questionable business ethics behind the good engineering ethics. Or is there a point I'm missing?
- ithinkinstereo 10y ago
  Don't forget the whole dodging regulations thing. This aspect of the "sharing" economy I find the most disgusting. Ethics goes out of the window in the pursuit of profit.
  - CamperBob2 10y ago
    BS. The "ethics" went out the window when the taxi cartels captured the regulators in the first place. Don't want people to play a crooked game? Don't set one up.
    - ithinkinstereo 10y ago
      That's a shortsighted view. Similar to saying that the Airplane cartel captured the regulators and are preventing indie airlines from starting up... Regulations exist for many reasons, not all are designed to act as a barrier for new entrants. Consumer safety springs to mind...
      - CamperBob2 10y ago
        Have to agree to disagree on this one. Comparing taxi medallions to the FAR is enough of a stretch that I don't see a further basis for discussion.
        ithinkinstereo 10y ago
        Yes the comparison is ridiculous, but so is your complete dismissal of taxi regulations. If you can't see that, then I agree that there is no further basis for discussion. Plus acknowledging that regulations do provide some benefit is reasonable. Regulations ensure that: * Taxis are regularly maintained * Pricing is standardized, transparent, with rules to prevent gouging during "surge" periods * Background checks for drivers * Drivers are qualified (have to pass various tests to get licensed) On a more philosophical level, I think taxis serve a public utility function, similar to busses and subways. In this sense, some government oversight makes sense.
- CamperBob2 10y ago
  This is the point you're missing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
- mayneack 10y ago
  I think most of the criticism of uber are valid... but the status quo they're working against (taxis and drunk driving) have enough downsides that I don't think the ethical calculus around their business practices is simple.
dajohnson89 10y ago
How would you explain UberTaxi?

Right now, Uber's business model is throw so much VC money at everything that everybody else goes out of business, and hope the taxis die before you run out of VC money.

emilsedgh 10y ago

So Uber's short/mid term plan is to put all taxis out of business by lowering prices using VC money and their long term plan is to use autopilot cars to leave all drivers jobless. And the other day there was an engineer from Uber commenting how ethical the company was. I'm sure their engineering team is very ethical and responsible. But their business model and plan is actually very questionable. It's like they are hiding the highly questionable business ethics behind the good engineering ethics. Or is there a point I'm missing?

ithinkinstereo 10y ago
Don't forget the whole dodging regulations thing. This aspect of the "sharing" economy I find the most disgusting. Ethics goes out of the window in the pursuit of profit.
- CamperBob2 10y ago
  BS. The "ethics" went out the window when the taxi cartels captured the regulators in the first place. Don't want people to play a crooked game? Don't set one up.
  - ithinkinstereo 10y ago
    That's a shortsighted view. Similar to saying that the Airplane cartel captured the regulators and are preventing indie airlines from starting up... Regulations exist for many reasons, not all are designed to act as a barrier for new entrants. Consumer safety springs to mind...
    - CamperBob2 10y ago
      Have to agree to disagree on this one. Comparing taxi medallions to the FAR is enough of a stretch that I don't see a further basis for discussion.
      - ithinkinstereo 10y ago
        Yes the comparison is ridiculous, but so is your complete dismissal of taxi regulations. If you can't see that, then I agree that there is no further basis for discussion. Plus acknowledging that regulations do provide some benefit is reasonable. Regulations ensure that: * Taxis are regularly maintained * Pricing is standardized, transparent, with rules to prevent gouging during "surge" periods * Background checks for drivers * Drivers are qualified (have to pass various tests to get licensed) On a more philosophical level, I think taxis serve a public utility function, similar to busses and subways. In this sense, some government oversight makes sense.
CamperBob2 10y ago
This is the point you're missing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
mayneack 10y ago
I think most of the criticism of uber are valid... but the status quo they're working against (taxis and drunk driving) have enough downsides that I don't think the ethical calculus around their business practices is simple.

dajohnson89 10y ago

How would you explain UberTaxi?