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I posted + wrote this article. I'm disappointed I'm in the front page of HN and there's not a single comment here. Not even a "Nice article!", or a "Stopped rea

I posted + wrote this article. I'm disappointed I'm in the front page of HN and there's not a single comment here. Not even a "Nice article!", or a "Stopped reading after the 5th grammar mistake", or a even "This guys doesn't know what he's talking about because X"! People hate on the comments section on HN, but the silence is much worse.

ninofloris 10y ago
Was just about to write a nice comment. Oh well ;) No, but nice article, there are some things I absolutely recognize from my own journey of learning to program. I especially went overboard with the "read all the things" mentality and now know a lot from going down the rabbit hole time and time again. You do have to have the free time for it though. Furthermore I'd like to add as something I found really hard to get into is just trying things. Just get the general idea on screen and work to get it to compile, then refactor until satisfied and work out the last kinks. As I would categorize myself as being in the 'perfectionist' category I found it really hard for quite some time (years) to work experimentally like this.
- hiphipjorge 10y ago
  > You do have to have the free time for it though. OMG! THIS! I don't think I couple have pulled it off if I didn't do this in college/summers when I had all that free time. It would have been impossible otherwise. That might be a valid criticism of my post... it presumes people have a lot of time. > As I would categorize myself as being in the 'perfectionist' category I found it really hard for quite some time (years) to work experimentally like this. Honestly, I think all great programmers are in that category. The bad ones start businesses and then hire great programmers to fix their shitty code.
webwanderings 10y ago
Why would you want non-programmers to hang out at sites like HN? You are then recommending they go to Stack? This is a bad advise (happy?). But really! I am a self-learner and I am attempting to self-learn programming lately. I would not send anyone to these two types of sites which you are recommending right out of the gate. There is no chance anyone would learn programming via HN. And a newbie commenting at Stack is going to get a rude awakening (which would then lead to morale loss).
- hiphipjorge 10y ago
  You are right that in order for this to work the beginner needs a high level of confidence because HN and SO can be very hostile places. I still believe that being exposed to things earlier rather than later is usually beneficial. You might not understand them at the beginning, but later on you will. If a good article is posted on HN, you might not understand all of it, but you might understand 1/10 of it and it might be useful later on. Also, once you know EVERYONE gets hated on when posting a question in SO (even very experienced programmers), you can probably handle someone hating on your stupid question.
drieddust 10y ago
Thanks and here you go. > The trick here is for it to feel uncomfortable. This is rather painful, but that's how it should be. Coding follows the 80/20 rule. You spend 80% of your time on 20% of your code or 20% of what you're learning. Getting using to this uncomfortable feeling and overcoming it is key. This is the biggest takeaway for me. Often I think I will progress linearly which leads to frustration and abandonment. > Basically, getting stuck for more than an hour on something is almost always a waste of time. I will beg to disagree with you on this, asking for help too soon actually lead to superficial learning. > Recognized the difference between deep diving and hacking. Pick accordingly. Great advise. I am guilty of this one as well. I have spend whole Saturday on AWS configuring and reconfiguring stuff which I cloud have left it at a good enough in couple of hours. edit: typo
- hiphipjorge 10y ago
  Thanks for the reply ;) > I will beg to disagree with you on this, asking for help too soon actually lead to superficial learning. Good to know someone disagrees with me on this! Make all those hours I spent on stupid stuff not seem worthless. You are probably right that there's also a balance here between superficial learning and just getting unstuck. I still do believe that spending too much time on something is probably a waste of time! > I have spend whole Saturday on AWS configuring and reconfiguring stuff which I cloud have left it a good enough in couple of hours. Guilty as well!
malloreon 10y ago
hiphipjorge is the best personal domain name I've ever seen.

ninofloris 10y ago

Was just about to write a nice comment. Oh well ;) No, but nice article, there are some things I absolutely recognize from my own journey of learning to program. I especially went overboard with the "read all the things" mentality and now know a lot from going down the rabbit hole time and time again. You do have to have the free time for it though. Furthermore I'd like to add as something I found really hard to get into is just trying things. Just get the general idea on screen and work to get it to compile, then refactor until satisfied and work out the last kinks. As I would categorize myself as being in the 'perfectionist' category I found it really hard for quite some time (years) to work experimentally like this.

hiphipjorge 10y ago
> You do have to have the free time for it though. OMG! THIS! I don't think I couple have pulled it off if I didn't do this in college/summers when I had all that free time. It would have been impossible otherwise. That might be a valid criticism of my post... it presumes people have a lot of time. > As I would categorize myself as being in the 'perfectionist' category I found it really hard for quite some time (years) to work experimentally like this. Honestly, I think all great programmers are in that category. The bad ones start businesses and then hire great programmers to fix their shitty code.

webwanderings 10y ago

Why would you want non-programmers to hang out at sites like HN? You are then recommending they go to Stack? This is a bad advise (happy?). But really! I am a self-learner and I am attempting to self-learn programming lately. I would not send anyone to these two types of sites which you are recommending right out of the gate. There is no chance anyone would learn programming via HN. And a newbie commenting at Stack is going to get a rude awakening (which would then lead to morale loss).

hiphipjorge 10y ago
You are right that in order for this to work the beginner needs a high level of confidence because HN and SO can be very hostile places. I still believe that being exposed to things earlier rather than later is usually beneficial. You might not understand them at the beginning, but later on you will. If a good article is posted on HN, you might not understand all of it, but you might understand 1/10 of it and it might be useful later on. Also, once you know EVERYONE gets hated on when posting a question in SO (even very experienced programmers), you can probably handle someone hating on your stupid question.

drieddust 10y ago

Thanks and here you go. > The trick here is for it to feel uncomfortable. This is rather painful, but that's how it should be. Coding follows the 80/20 rule. You spend 80% of your time on 20% of your code or 20% of what you're learning. Getting using to this uncomfortable feeling and overcoming it is key. This is the biggest takeaway for me. Often I think I will progress linearly which leads to frustration and abandonment. > Basically, getting stuck for more than an hour on something is almost always a waste of time. I will beg to disagree with you on this, asking for help too soon actually lead to superficial learning. > Recognized the difference between deep diving and hacking. Pick accordingly. Great advise. I am guilty of this one as well. I have spend whole Saturday on AWS configuring and reconfiguring stuff which I cloud have left it at a good enough in couple of hours. edit: typo

hiphipjorge 10y ago
Thanks for the reply ;) > I will beg to disagree with you on this, asking for help too soon actually lead to superficial learning. Good to know someone disagrees with me on this! Make all those hours I spent on stupid stuff not seem worthless. You are probably right that there's also a balance here between superficial learning and just getting unstuck. I still do believe that spending too much time on something is probably a waste of time! > I have spend whole Saturday on AWS configuring and reconfiguring stuff which I cloud have left it a good enough in couple of hours. Guilty as well!

malloreon 10y ago

hiphipjorge is the best personal domain name I've ever seen.