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Your argument is flawed. Your primary intention is to invite total strangers into your house. You then cannot force your rules on them, because they can natural

Your argument is flawed. Your primary intention is to invite total strangers into your house. You then cannot force your rules on them, because they can naturally demand things. Edit: Besides, nobody opens up their houses for strangers. So it is a flawed comparison as well. You need to be honest with the premise. You are talking about an online community which is built for a purpose. Your purpose is two-fold. You want to be a nice contributor towards some ideal (nothing wrong with that). Your second purpose is to be self-sustaining (so you can continue your goals). Again, nothing wrong with that either. But none of this has anything to do with open and inviting house, or even strangers. But look at what your purpose does: it necessarily invites strangers. You then have consequence. You also know in your heart of heart, that if you do not invite strangers (let's also remember that we're talking about the online world), you will never be able to achieve your ideals. Because no matter how big your social circle may be, you cannot achieve your ideals through just the people you know.

grzm 10y ago
The invitation isn't to come in and do whatever you please. The invitation contains conditions. In the case of Imzy, one of them is to be nice. And the invitation doesn't necessarily mean you can stay as long as you want flouting the house rules. And the house rules can change if the owner decides the current ones need to change.
- webwanderings 10y ago
  You are missing the point. Your secondary intention has no relevance because your primary intention is to "invite the strangers". When you invite strangers, you should expect anything.
  - grzm 10y ago
    Expecting anything doesn't mean putting up with everything.
    - webwanderings 10y ago
      Again, you're looking at secondary matters. Look at the consequences which results due to the primary intention. Besides, nobody opens up their houses for strangers. So it is a flawed comparison as well. You need to be honest with the premise. You are talking about an online community which is built for a purpose. Your purpose is two-fold. You want to be a nice contributor towards some ideal (nothing wrong with that). Your second purpose is to be self-sustaining (so you can continue your goals). Again, nothing wrong with that either. But none of this has anything to do with open and inviting house, or even strangers. But look at what your purpose does: it necessarily invites strangers. You then have consequence. You also know in your heart of heart, that if you do not invite strangers (let's also remember that we're talking about the online world), you will never be able to achieve your ideals. Because no matter how big your social circle may be, you cannot achieve your ideals through just the people you know.
      - yladiz 10y ago
        What are you saying? This doesn't really make much sense. Are you arguing that inviting someone into your house, a stranger or not, means that they can demand whatever they want and you have no right to kick them out? Sorry if I'm not following but the idea of primary and secondary intention doesn't really make sense to me. This argument is not about creating a "perfect social circle" with only specific people who have the same view points as you, it's that you can have someone who believes wildly different things than you but they are expected to be nice and treat the invitation into a community with respect, e.g. be nice, rather than do whatever they want. And if they disrespect the invitation, they have consequences.
        webwanderings 10y ago
        > ...means that they can demand whatever What I am simply saying is that setting such an expectation (via rules and enforcement) is unnatural for humans. People are not going to "demand whatever" because they are not nice. You should expect them to demand whatever, even if they are nice. What I am really trying to say is further explained here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13148978 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13148978
  - manigandham 10y ago
    I think you're missing the point - inviting strangers does not mean the absence of rules of conduct. Any public space is open to strangers, but you can't go around murdering people.
    - webwanderings 10y ago
      Public space? How are these social media platforms, run by corporations, a public space? What is your definition of a public space? I was never arguing against the rules, and following the rules.
  - nommm-nommm 10y ago
    I've invited people who are strangers to me into my home many times. Friends invite friends so strangers show up at my house and I welcome them. Everyone was polite because social norms dictate politeness when you are a guest. If they weren't then you bet I'd tell them to GTFO. I don't have to "expect anything" because it's my home, I make the rules.

grzm 10y ago

The invitation isn't to come in and do whatever you please. The invitation contains conditions. In the case of Imzy, one of them is to be nice. And the invitation doesn't necessarily mean you can stay as long as you want flouting the house rules. And the house rules can change if the owner decides the current ones need to change.

webwanderings 10y ago
You are missing the point. Your secondary intention has no relevance because your primary intention is to "invite the strangers". When you invite strangers, you should expect anything.
- grzm 10y ago
  Expecting anything doesn't mean putting up with everything.
  - webwanderings 10y ago
    Again, you're looking at secondary matters. Look at the consequences which results due to the primary intention. Besides, nobody opens up their houses for strangers. So it is a flawed comparison as well. You need to be honest with the premise. You are talking about an online community which is built for a purpose. Your purpose is two-fold. You want to be a nice contributor towards some ideal (nothing wrong with that). Your second purpose is to be self-sustaining (so you can continue your goals). Again, nothing wrong with that either. But none of this has anything to do with open and inviting house, or even strangers. But look at what your purpose does: it necessarily invites strangers. You then have consequence. You also know in your heart of heart, that if you do not invite strangers (let's also remember that we're talking about the online world), you will never be able to achieve your ideals. Because no matter how big your social circle may be, you cannot achieve your ideals through just the people you know.
    - yladiz 10y ago
      What are you saying? This doesn't really make much sense. Are you arguing that inviting someone into your house, a stranger or not, means that they can demand whatever they want and you have no right to kick them out? Sorry if I'm not following but the idea of primary and secondary intention doesn't really make sense to me. This argument is not about creating a "perfect social circle" with only specific people who have the same view points as you, it's that you can have someone who believes wildly different things than you but they are expected to be nice and treat the invitation into a community with respect, e.g. be nice, rather than do whatever they want. And if they disrespect the invitation, they have consequences.
      - webwanderings 10y ago
        > ...means that they can demand whatever What I am simply saying is that setting such an expectation (via rules and enforcement) is unnatural for humans. People are not going to "demand whatever" because they are not nice. You should expect them to demand whatever, even if they are nice. What I am really trying to say is further explained here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13148978 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13148978
- manigandham 10y ago
  I think you're missing the point - inviting strangers does not mean the absence of rules of conduct. Any public space is open to strangers, but you can't go around murdering people.
  - webwanderings 10y ago
    Public space? How are these social media platforms, run by corporations, a public space? What is your definition of a public space? I was never arguing against the rules, and following the rules.
- nommm-nommm 10y ago
  I've invited people who are strangers to me into my home many times. Friends invite friends so strangers show up at my house and I welcome them. Everyone was polite because social norms dictate politeness when you are a guest. If they weren't then you bet I'd tell them to GTFO. I don't have to "expect anything" because it's my home, I make the rules.