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Why is not the FBI actively targeting those criminals?

• djedipus 10y ago
  They're waiting for their files to be unlocked
• logicallee 10y ago
  Don't you mean: "why does the FBI, NSA, CIA, or any cyber security agency exist? They should not exist. SECONDLY, why aren't they actively targeting those criminals?" I think it's important to remember that those agencies shouldn't even exist, before asking why they're not doing something. Don't quietly justify them.
  • themckman 10y ago
    Why shouldn't they exist?
    • logicallee 10y ago
      The primary point of my comment was to remind people that most HN readers are very against cyber capabilities/surveillance/etc - so when someone calls for those agencies to do something, it is important to remember that people are against those agencies even existing, having any capabilities at all. Now as for providing you the argument for why they should or shouldn't exist, I think it's political and I like HN's move away from political discussion so let's not have it. But I think it's not going too far to ask people to be explicit about some of the contradictions. If you look at the comment phrasing I "suggested", you'll see it's a contradiction. I don't mean to resolve that contradiction but we shouldn't ignore it - my point was to write the contradiction explicitly. One possible way to address your question briefly would be with reference to some films and books. but we don't need to answer your question in order to acknowledge the contradiction and I wouldn't like to answer it (one way or another - why they should, why they shouldn't exist.) it's good for HN to step back from politics a bit so let's leave it at that.
      • industriousthou 10y ago
        I don't think most HN user oppose the use intelligence capabilities in various three letter organizations, just that those orgs should be constrained by the rule of law in some meaningful way.
        • logicallee 10y ago
          Most HN users are quite upset in the comments under any story about any capabilities, by any organization anywhere in the world, and regardless of their cooperation with America (where the three letter organizations I quoted are from) and regardless of their legality. I put in "backdoor found" as a search query here https://hn.algolia.com/ https://hn.algolia.com/ after modifying it to search the last year. The first article I clicked had this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10889008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10889008 which says: >myth_buster 333 days ago [-] >Please don't give away ideas. You be surprised how well these things would resonate with layperson. Isn't it clear that they don't want these agencies to be able to have the support of populations? I don't think I overstate the case that most HN users are against surveillance and related capabilities by anyone.
      • grzm 10y ago
        I like HN's move away from political discussion I'm not sure if you're referring to attention paid to political discussions in general or the Political Detox Week. If the latter, the week-long experiment was terminated early. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13131251 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13131251
        • logicallee 10y ago
          the whole purpose of the detox week was to move conversation away from too many politics - so while the experiment is over, the improvement everyone saw leaves lessons we can remember. HN was just better.
          • grzm 10y ago
• dmihal 10y ago
  They're still going through Hillary's emails
  • grzm 10y ago
    Let's not go there. Please stay on topic with substantive comments.