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> It's quite different from being a muslim in a predominantly christian country being subjected to abuse by the majority. Hm, interesting that you choose the e
by veddox 10y ago
> It's quite different from being a muslim in a predominantly christian country being subjected to abuse by the majority.
Hm, interesting that you choose the example going that way. Not to deny that Muslims face discrimination in the West, but have you had a look at what life is like for Christians in Muslim countries?
- mattlevan 10y agoHell-- even some types of Muslims in places where the other type of Muslim dominates.
- matt4077 10y agoI'd never deny the problems christians face in many countries. The Egyptian's use of the "pig flu" a few years ago as a cheap cover for slaughtering the christian minorities' pigs still makes me angry/sad. But I'd warn against using such (and greater) injustice as an excuse. The idiots responsible for them are not the muslims who live in western countries, and any sort of collective guilt is morally indefensible (especially considering many muslims are in the west precisely because they wanted to get away). It's also subject to what my father used to say when I tried to excuse a bad grade as "still pretty good considering how the rest did": "When did we start comparing us to others?" Also, using the example going that way is exactly what I meant with "it's more legitimate (effective...) to criticize your own group".
- tdkl 10y agoMuslims face discrimination not because they're Muslims, but because they fail to integrate in the Western society as citizens first. Islam is a law and government doctrine.
- paulmd 10y agoAll you're pointing out here is that Muslims are capable of punching down when they're in power too. This is (a) not particularly insightful, and (b) irrelevant to his US-based examples of punching up vs punching down.