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It sounds like a fair amount of statements directly made by Trump on the campaign trail (mocking a disabled person, telling people to check out the "sex tape" o

by zzzeek 10y ago

It sounds like a fair amount of statements directly made by Trump on the campaign trail (mocking a disabled person, telling people to check out the "sex tape" of a former Miss universe he didn't like, many other statements) would themselves not be allowed on this site, so it's not surprising it would be naturally anti-Trump. I highly doubt it would have any such attitudes towards people like Jeb Bush or Rand Paul who are decidedly not liberal.

glenra 10y ago
Trump didn't actually "mock a disabled person", at least not for their disability. Trump does do sort of a stammering spastic schtick in speeches to poke fun at people who have had to retrench after a misstatement. But: (1) Trump does that same impression for anyone who has had to correct a misstatement about Trump. (2) The time Trump was accused of doing it to mock a disabled person, his impression was the exact opposite of that disabled person's actual mannerisms. The person Trump is alleged to have "mocked" does not stammer and is not spastic and doesn't move his hands around at all, rather than waving them around wildly. The meme claiming Trump "mocked a disabled person" was only plausible to people who had never met or seen video of that disabled person. (It was helped to spread via a single-frame screen capture; video would have given the game away.)
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  Greeeat! The guy who is now spokesperson worldwide for all of us here in the USA, does a spastic schtick all the time and doesn't have a clue why that would be amazingly insulting and demeaning.
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- zzzeek 10y ago
  I watched the video and it is still completely obvious he was mocking that person's disability. perhaps you've never been mocked before but exaggeration is part of it.
  - glenra 10y ago
    You may have seen video of Trump, but you haven't seen video of the reporter in question. Here's some video of the reporter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baUuXQ443fA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baUuXQ443fA And here's Trump doing a similar impression of Ted Cruz (who is not disabled): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4604reEqk0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4604reEqk0 You can find more relevant videos (including one where Trump does a similar waving-hands-around thing in reference to an army general who also is not handicapped) and additional background info here: https://www.catholics4trump.com/the-true-story-donald-trump-did-not-mock-a-reporters-disability/ https://www.catholics4trump.com/the-true-story-donald-trump-... Upshot: Trump seems to have treated this reporter exactly the same way he treats other, non-disabled people. Like Ted Cruz and an army general. If Trump were aware the reporter was handicapped, it doesn't show in the video. Trump appears to be an equal-opportunity mocker; his mocking mannerisms do not discriminate between targets on the basis of physical ability. :-)
    - zzzeek 10y ago
      > Trump appears to be an equal-opportunity mocker; his mocking mannerisms do not discriminate between targets on the basis of physical ability. :-) even if that were true, it doesn't matter. If you had a fun joke you like to make imitating blowing your head off with a gun, and then one day you did it in front of some people and all the sudden someone breaks down...that person's spouse killed themselves in reality in just that way. What would a decent do? They'd say, "I'm so sorry!". That's all! they'd apologize. Even though they had no idea their "joke" was actually going to hurt someone. So even if Trump's lie that he didn't know this reporter were true, if he were decent (which he is absolutely not), he'd apologize (for real. Like, you just spilled your drink on someone at a party by accident apologize). The "jokes" we make are not always the same depending on context. Trump knew very well (despite lying that he didnt know this reporter personally) that the reporter in question was disabled. Even if his routine was 100% the same (which it wasn't), he still reveals himself to be a vile human being to launch into that impression knowing its resemblance to this person's actual physical disability. But IMO that's all moot because he knew damn well he was specifically imitating the guy's disability. After all, that is Trump's entire appeal. He doesn't care about so-called "PC". That's the basis by which his voters like him, why can't they just own that? Just own it. These trollish denials like the youtube video are fooling nobody except his own supporters who might have some inner doubt that what he's doing is really acceptable (which it of course is not). He mocked a disabled person, and you think he has every right to do so, which in fact, he does! mock away. Mocking is not illegal. But neither is overwhelming disapproval of someone's behavior by others. Trump supporters need to get over it.
- drabiega 10y ago
  How does the fact that he mocked a disabled person inaccurately absolve him? You've simultaneously said that he did it (and that he does it commonly) and that it's implausible that he did so?
  - glenra 10y ago
    Trump was mocking behavior - the being inconsistent part of it - not mocking disability. It's the difference between mocking somebody for their views and statements who merely happens to have a disability and mocking somebody for having a disability. The latter is what people thought he did; the former is far less inherently objectionable.
rjeli 10y ago
https://youtu.be/vk-fDRLSsQk https://youtu.be/vk-fDRLSsQk If you think Trump made fun of a disabled reporter, you may have been reading fake news
- zzzeek 10y ago
  Politifact: "Donald Trump says Hillary Clinton is 'wrong' to say he mocked a disabled reporter": False "Trump may deny that he intentionally mocked Kovaleski for his disability, but many Americans believe his remarks amounted to mocking, and we concur that that’s a reasonable -- indeed, perhaps the only -- interpretation of his actions. The notion that Trump’s comments about Cruz and a general undercut Clinton’s claim don’t hold water, because all three examples constitute mocking, whether a disability was involved or not. We rate the statement False." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/20/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-wrong-say-he-moc/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/...
  - rjeli 10y ago
    OK, do you have an actual response to what it shows? Seems cut-and-dry to me. edit: parent comment originally just said "that video is pathetic" https://i.sli.mg/g7PW3y.png https://i.sli.mg/g7PW3y.png
    - zzzeek 10y ago
      yes, the style in which he mocked the disabled reporter was completely different and is consistent with what I would observe while growing up in 1970s suburban Long Island (close to where Trump grew up in Queens). Maybe you're just not from New York. The Ted Cruz motions were not at all the same thing. Not to mention, being a decent human being would mean that even if you do have the same "mockery" routine for everyone, you'd hold off doing it towards someone where your routine clearly is going to be interpreted that way. As we're talking about a site that bans people who don't treat each other decently.

by zzzeek 10y ago

glenra 10y ago

Trump didn't actually "mock a disabled person", at least not for their disability. Trump does do sort of a stammering spastic schtick in speeches to poke fun at people who have had to retrench after a misstatement. But: (1) Trump does that same impression for anyone who has had to correct a misstatement about Trump. (2) The time Trump was accused of doing it to mock a disabled person, his impression was the exact opposite of that disabled person's actual mannerisms. The person Trump is alleged to have "mocked" does not stammer and is not spastic and doesn't move his hands around at all, rather than waving them around wildly. The meme claiming Trump "mocked a disabled person" was only plausible to people who had never met or seen video of that disabled person. (It was helped to spread via a single-frame screen capture; video would have given the game away.)

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
Greeeat! The guy who is now spokesperson worldwide for all of us here in the USA, does a spastic schtick all the time and doesn't have a clue why that would be amazingly insulting and demeaning.
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zzzeek 10y ago
I watched the video and it is still completely obvious he was mocking that person's disability. perhaps you've never been mocked before but exaggeration is part of it.
- glenra 10y ago
  You may have seen video of Trump, but you haven't seen video of the reporter in question. Here's some video of the reporter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baUuXQ443fA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baUuXQ443fA And here's Trump doing a similar impression of Ted Cruz (who is not disabled): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4604reEqk0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4604reEqk0 You can find more relevant videos (including one where Trump does a similar waving-hands-around thing in reference to an army general who also is not handicapped) and additional background info here: https://www.catholics4trump.com/the-true-story-donald-trump-did-not-mock-a-reporters-disability/ https://www.catholics4trump.com/the-true-story-donald-trump-... Upshot: Trump seems to have treated this reporter exactly the same way he treats other, non-disabled people. Like Ted Cruz and an army general. If Trump were aware the reporter was handicapped, it doesn't show in the video. Trump appears to be an equal-opportunity mocker; his mocking mannerisms do not discriminate between targets on the basis of physical ability. :-)
  - zzzeek 10y ago
    > Trump appears to be an equal-opportunity mocker; his mocking mannerisms do not discriminate between targets on the basis of physical ability. :-) even if that were true, it doesn't matter. If you had a fun joke you like to make imitating blowing your head off with a gun, and then one day you did it in front of some people and all the sudden someone breaks down...that person's spouse killed themselves in reality in just that way. What would a decent do? They'd say, "I'm so sorry!". That's all! they'd apologize. Even though they had no idea their "joke" was actually going to hurt someone. So even if Trump's lie that he didn't know this reporter were true, if he were decent (which he is absolutely not), he'd apologize (for real. Like, you just spilled your drink on someone at a party by accident apologize). The "jokes" we make are not always the same depending on context. Trump knew very well (despite lying that he didnt know this reporter personally) that the reporter in question was disabled. Even if his routine was 100% the same (which it wasn't), he still reveals himself to be a vile human being to launch into that impression knowing its resemblance to this person's actual physical disability. But IMO that's all moot because he knew damn well he was specifically imitating the guy's disability. After all, that is Trump's entire appeal. He doesn't care about so-called "PC". That's the basis by which his voters like him, why can't they just own that? Just own it. These trollish denials like the youtube video are fooling nobody except his own supporters who might have some inner doubt that what he's doing is really acceptable (which it of course is not). He mocked a disabled person, and you think he has every right to do so, which in fact, he does! mock away. Mocking is not illegal. But neither is overwhelming disapproval of someone's behavior by others. Trump supporters need to get over it.
drabiega 10y ago
How does the fact that he mocked a disabled person inaccurately absolve him? You've simultaneously said that he did it (and that he does it commonly) and that it's implausible that he did so?
- glenra 10y ago
  Trump was mocking behavior - the being inconsistent part of it - not mocking disability. It's the difference between mocking somebody for their views and statements who merely happens to have a disability and mocking somebody for having a disability. The latter is what people thought he did; the former is far less inherently objectionable.

rjeli 10y ago

https://youtu.be/vk-fDRLSsQk https://youtu.be/vk-fDRLSsQk If you think Trump made fun of a disabled reporter, you may have been reading fake news

zzzeek 10y ago
Politifact: "Donald Trump says Hillary Clinton is 'wrong' to say he mocked a disabled reporter": False "Trump may deny that he intentionally mocked Kovaleski for his disability, but many Americans believe his remarks amounted to mocking, and we concur that that’s a reasonable -- indeed, perhaps the only -- interpretation of his actions. The notion that Trump’s comments about Cruz and a general undercut Clinton’s claim don’t hold water, because all three examples constitute mocking, whether a disability was involved or not. We rate the statement False." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/20/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-wrong-say-he-moc/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/...
- rjeli 10y ago
  OK, do you have an actual response to what it shows? Seems cut-and-dry to me. edit: parent comment originally just said "that video is pathetic" https://i.sli.mg/g7PW3y.png https://i.sli.mg/g7PW3y.png
  - zzzeek 10y ago
    yes, the style in which he mocked the disabled reporter was completely different and is consistent with what I would observe while growing up in 1970s suburban Long Island (close to where Trump grew up in Queens). Maybe you're just not from New York. The Ted Cruz motions were not at all the same thing. Not to mention, being a decent human being would mean that even if you do have the same "mockery" routine for everyone, you'd hold off doing it towards someone where your routine clearly is going to be interpreted that way. As we're talking about a site that bans people who don't treat each other decently.