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free speech is moving to voat and gab this site is not advertising itself as a free speech zone more like a polite speech zone
by MK999 10y ago
free speech is moving to voat and gab this site is not advertising itself as a free speech zone more like a polite speech zone
- threepipeproblm 10y agoI heard about Voat recently when expressing unhappiness with Reddit. Will probably be checking it out, also... I am not that interested in the political discussion though, and on a first look it wasn't clear if Voat had much going on with techie/hobby type things. To me I think free speech is important as a political right, but these are private sites, and it's not clear to me 100% free speech is useful. I am more interested in good, ethical management. If people are going to be banned for being jerks, especially across communities, it's not necessarily a deal breaker for me. When it amounts to filtering out particular viewpoints, I'd leave.
- MK999 10y agoVoat seems to be geared toward the stuff that got banned or reddit. Gab.ai is people who got banned on twitter. I don't see any reason to look for tech stuff there.
- krapp 10y agoVoat does not really support free speech, as per their user agreement: You may not use Voat to break the law, violate an individual's privacy, or infringe any person or entity’s intellectual property or any other proprietary rights. (...) You agree to not post anyone's sensitive personal information that relates to that person's real world or online identity. Do Not Incite Harm: You agree not to encourage harm against people. Protect Kids: You agree not to post any child pornography or sexually suggestive content involving minors. No site which recognizes the authority of laws prohibiting content or expression of any kind truly supports free speech. When most people say free speech it seems what they really mean is a degree of censorship that doesn't interfere with them personally.
- bpicolo 10y agoFree speech doesn't mean "anything goes even if illegal"
- krapp 10y agoTo me, it does. Free speech is an upper bound on human expression - anything less than absolute is something less than "free." I'm not advocating for this - sites should police certain illegal and immoral activities. Doing so is clearly in the benefit of society and the quality of any online community. But accepting this is subjugating free speech for the sake of cultural norms and legal necessity.
- veddox 10y agoThat is an extremely loose definition of freedom. Ever heard the dictum "One man's freedom ends where another's begins"? Or, as somebody once put it: "My freedom to swing my fist ends where your face begins." Liberty for all is only attainable when all restrict their individual liberty to accommodate others. If that isn't the foundation of your society, "homo homini lupus" is what you get.
- krapp 10y agoI prefer to see it as an idealistic definition, albeit one that most people wouldn't tolerate in practice. But as a philosophical point of reference, I think it's useful because it's absolute - other definitions of of free speech depend on a particular framework of law or cultural referents that not everyone agrees on.
- psyc 10y ago> "My freedom to swing my fist ends where your face begins." Ever heard it? How could we ever escape it? I've been reading this smug, patronizing sentence on the Internet for 20 years. I've come to believe that this formulation is so important to the people who say it, because they know they're exceptionally punchable.