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Without any conflict, uh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ > Nvidia has been the single worst company w

by StRoy 10y ago

Without any conflict, uh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ > Nvidia has been the single worst company we've ever dealt with. > - Linus Kernel devs are antagonizing the only two GPU makers that matters. Besides the kernel, there has been some flame going between NVIDIA and Wayland devs too. Open source devs are immature men who do not understand the word compromise.

sangnoir 10y ago
> Without any conflict, uh? > Nvidia has been the single worst company we've ever dealt with. > - Linus This had nothing to do with the kernel and everything to do with the lack of optimus support (years later, its still shit). > Kernel devs are antagonizing the only two GPU makers that matters Maybe the 2 should ask Intel for some pointers on how to contribute to the kernel the right way. > Open source devs are immature men who do not understand the word compromise. I suspect that's part of the reason the kernel is stable, and for that I'm thankful. Not compromising on code quality is something I wish more projects would do, if they had the well-earned political/social capital the Linux kernel has.
- Freak_NL 10y ago
  Out of the three common GPU brands found in computers nowadays, Intel's integrated GPUs have mostly been a very pleasant experience for the end user when installing any GNU/Linux distribution. It just works without any additional work. If AMD manages to reach that level of out-of-the-box working graphics driver, that will definitely reflect positively on their brand of graphics cards, and might give them an advantage over Nvidia. I suspect that working with the kernel developers and maintainers will also be beneficial to the driver itself. It seems to me that for cooperating you gain valuable feedback on your code from people well-versed in kernel and driver code.
- _yosefk 10y ago
  Sarah Sharp worked for Intel and apparently didn't manage to contribute to the kernel in a way that would make communication with Torvalds particularly pleasant. I extend my sympathy to anyone paid to contribute code to Linux.
  - bonzini 10y ago
    She never had any unpleasant communication herself, for what it's worth. Most people who are paid to contribute to Linux, including myself, are very happy to do so, and no, it's not a case of Stockholm syndrome.
  - digi_owl 10y ago
    to me Sharp came across as trying to score social points by being a "woman in tech" rather than being honesty interested in tech. Something i fear is going on a whole lot in recent years in the FOSS world. I keep seeing already cash strapped projects go off the rails because someone decides that they need a gender oriented outreach program, complete with elaborate gatherings and whatsnot. And when that crash and burns, their excuse for the cash bonfire is that the FOSS world is misogynistic...
- espadrine 10y ago
  > Maybe the 2 should ask Intel for some pointers on how to contribute to the kernel the right way. Intel is not waiting for them to ask: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-December/126698.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-Decemb... > This is something you need to fix, or it'll stay completely painful forever. It's hard work and takes years, but here at Intel we pulled it off. We can upstream everything from a _very_ early stage (can't tell you how early). And we have full marketing approval for that. If you watch the i915 commit stream you can see how our code is chasing updates from the hw engineers debugging things. (More specific advice follows.)
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by StRoy 10y ago

sangnoir 10y ago

> Without any conflict, uh? > Nvidia has been the single worst company we've ever dealt with. > - Linus This had nothing to do with the kernel and everything to do with the lack of optimus support (years later, its still shit). > Kernel devs are antagonizing the only two GPU makers that matters Maybe the 2 should ask Intel for some pointers on how to contribute to the kernel the right way. > Open source devs are immature men who do not understand the word compromise. I suspect that's part of the reason the kernel is stable, and for that I'm thankful. Not compromising on code quality is something I wish more projects would do, if they had the well-earned political/social capital the Linux kernel has.

Freak_NL 10y ago
Out of the three common GPU brands found in computers nowadays, Intel's integrated GPUs have mostly been a very pleasant experience for the end user when installing any GNU/Linux distribution. It just works without any additional work. If AMD manages to reach that level of out-of-the-box working graphics driver, that will definitely reflect positively on their brand of graphics cards, and might give them an advantage over Nvidia. I suspect that working with the kernel developers and maintainers will also be beneficial to the driver itself. It seems to me that for cooperating you gain valuable feedback on your code from people well-versed in kernel and driver code.
_yosefk 10y ago
Sarah Sharp worked for Intel and apparently didn't manage to contribute to the kernel in a way that would make communication with Torvalds particularly pleasant. I extend my sympathy to anyone paid to contribute code to Linux.
- bonzini 10y ago
  She never had any unpleasant communication herself, for what it's worth. Most people who are paid to contribute to Linux, including myself, are very happy to do so, and no, it's not a case of Stockholm syndrome.
- digi_owl 10y ago
  to me Sharp came across as trying to score social points by being a "woman in tech" rather than being honesty interested in tech. Something i fear is going on a whole lot in recent years in the FOSS world. I keep seeing already cash strapped projects go off the rails because someone decides that they need a gender oriented outreach program, complete with elaborate gatherings and whatsnot. And when that crash and burns, their excuse for the cash bonfire is that the FOSS world is misogynistic...
espadrine 10y ago
> Maybe the 2 should ask Intel for some pointers on how to contribute to the kernel the right way. Intel is not waiting for them to ask: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-December/126698.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-Decemb... > This is something you need to fix, or it'll stay completely painful forever. It's hard work and takes years, but here at Intel we pulled it off. We can upstream everything from a _very_ early stage (can't tell you how early). And we have full marketing approval for that. If you watch the i915 commit stream you can see how our code is chasing updates from the hw engineers debugging things. (More specific advice follows.)

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