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This is yet another situation where I (as a user) am being held hostage [1]. The net result of attitudes like these is that I can't have a working multi-monito

by jwr 10y ago

This is yet another situation where I (as a user) am being held hostage [1]. The net result of attitudes like these is that I can't have a working multi-monitor desktop Linux setup, because everything is hopelessly broken and requires many hours of tinkering just to kind-of sometimes work. I find it sad. [1] Apple has been excelling at this recently, too, with the forced move to USB-C and dropping of the headphone jack — to "make progress" at my expense, where I am held hostage in the dongle-world as companies "move to new standards".

grzm 10y ago
I understand and sympathize with your frustration. A month ago I threw out about 10 gallons of cables (it was a 10 gallon garbage bag) that I had collected over the years. I have a pile of drive enclosures with at least 4 different port connectors on the outside and at least 3 different interfaces connecting the drives to the ports. I have to use two different dongles to connect the 3 monitors I have to my two different machines, one of which I can't upgrade beyond OS X Leopard because it's PowerPC. I take issue with the held hostage hyperbole, though. Yeah, you're inconvenienced by the OS/hardware options you have available. Your freedom of movement is not at stake. Your life is not at risk. I know it's fashionable to take poetic license and raise the stakes for everyday inconveniences, but let's keep things in perspective. Nothing's preventing you from using your old phone, or switching to another platform, or buying a couple of inexpensive dongles (very inexpensive relative to the hardware you've chosen to buy into).
pas 10y ago
Hm, some folks have installed Ubuntu, plugged in monitors, and it works for them. KDE usually screws up when I plug a monitor into my notebook, but Xfce doesn't. It's not a kernel issue. KDE has a guy, he's singlehandedly awesome, yet of course a bit strange when it comes to interacting with mortals, who works on "these" things: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2016/09/to-eglstream-or-not/ https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2016/09/to-eglstream-... And see, that it's NVIDIA that's currently holding back the year of the multi-monitor Linux desktop, because they're not supporting Wayland, like the others (Intel, AMD, Android).
- digi_owl 10y ago
  Best i can tell, Xfce gets it right because by virtue of being short staffed they trust X to not screw up. KDE and Gnome would rather see X get out of the way and let them do their "magic". Sadly the latter people are now in control of "X" development, or perhaps i should say post-X development, thanks to Wayland.

by jwr 10y ago

grzm 10y ago

I understand and sympathize with your frustration. A month ago I threw out about 10 gallons of cables (it was a 10 gallon garbage bag) that I had collected over the years. I have a pile of drive enclosures with at least 4 different port connectors on the outside and at least 3 different interfaces connecting the drives to the ports. I have to use two different dongles to connect the 3 monitors I have to my two different machines, one of which I can't upgrade beyond OS X Leopard because it's PowerPC. I take issue with the held hostage hyperbole, though. Yeah, you're inconvenienced by the OS/hardware options you have available. Your freedom of movement is not at stake. Your life is not at risk. I know it's fashionable to take poetic license and raise the stakes for everyday inconveniences, but let's keep things in perspective. Nothing's preventing you from using your old phone, or switching to another platform, or buying a couple of inexpensive dongles (very inexpensive relative to the hardware you've chosen to buy into).

pas 10y ago

Hm, some folks have installed Ubuntu, plugged in monitors, and it works for them. KDE usually screws up when I plug a monitor into my notebook, but Xfce doesn't. It's not a kernel issue. KDE has a guy, he's singlehandedly awesome, yet of course a bit strange when it comes to interacting with mortals, who works on "these" things: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2016/09/to-eglstream-or-not/ https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2016/09/to-eglstream-... And see, that it's NVIDIA that's currently holding back the year of the multi-monitor Linux desktop, because they're not supporting Wayland, like the others (Intel, AMD, Android).

digi_owl 10y ago
Best i can tell, Xfce gets it right because by virtue of being short staffed they trust X to not screw up. KDE and Gnome would rather see X get out of the way and let them do their "magic". Sadly the latter people are now in control of "X" development, or perhaps i should say post-X development, thanks to Wayland.