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If he's "not sure what else one would do," he needs to think bigger. I'm amazed that America seems so locked in to maximum laissez-faire that the idea that UBI
by bbctol 10y ago
If he's "not sure what else one would do," he needs to think bigger. I'm amazed that America seems so locked in to maximum laissez-faire that the idea that UBI is the actual solution has become remotely popular.
When truck drivers are replaced by self-driving cars, they won't see their monthly allowance as a benefit. People want to have control over their lives far more than they just want to survive. Sure, you have income. You can spend it on more plastic goods sold by the company that took your job, more consumer electronics sold by the company that took your job, more fast food from the company that took your job, all delivered on a fleet of drones from the company that took your job, while trying not to piss off the government infested with lobbyists from the company that took your job, lest they cut off your allowance and leave you for dead. Cycle that money right back to the same rich guys who claim to function on meritocracy and judge every applicant into their world by their ability to speak the arbitrary jargon, bolstered by a nice degree, the right level of expensive casual dress, and your race and gender. Or you could buy a gun.
Giving people comfort without giving them power is a recipe for revolution, and Silicon Valley doesn't get that they'll be the first against the wall; they'll still be wringing their hands and wondering why people voted for Trump when neoliberalism could give them so many cool new phones. Very few people in America are actually starving or on the streets; far more are committing suicide, either directly or through slow drug addiction, not because they don't have the means to survive but because they don't have the means to control their own lives, create their own future for themselves and their families, have the level of basic dignity that a solution like "here's your allowance, now go back to school and study hard" will never provide. Collective ownership, working democracy, a real attempt at a post-scarcity society is "what else one would do."
Welfare is important. UBI could be a fine way of making sure people don't starve to death. That hasn't been the major issue in the developed world for a long time now.
- saurik 10y agoJust because people are not actively starving to death does not mean they are not going hungry, skipping or skimping on meals due to a lack of cash flow; I encourage you to look more deeply into food security (for lack of a better entrypoint, the University of California recently did a study as part of the "Global Food Initiative" and concluded 42% of its students are food insecure). Maybe food isn't an issue in your world, or in my life, but remember: we are the kind of people who sit around and read Hacker News and are the kinds of people whose professions and in some cases hobbies either directly or indirectly have massive effects on other people's lives by undermining the need for not just their job, but all jobs similar in nature to their job; we will have "the last jobs" :/.
- norea-armozel 10y agoAs for outright starvation, no there's none of that but in Appalachia and other rural communities where children and adults are underfed. Believe me this is a problem of the first world. And the fact UBI is being entertained means were finally at a point that we can abandon capitalism. It's just a stopgap measure to prevent that eventuality or at least slow it down.