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Arnold is quite the curiosity to me; in some ways he helped establish the myth vs. reality of "Work hard, eat your protein, lift weights, and you can be the mus

Arnold is quite the curiosity to me; in some ways he helped establish the myth vs. reality of "Work hard, eat your protein, lift weights, and you can be the muscle man too!" which isn't to be ignored, nor should the role of anabolic steroids in enabling the outcome seen on screen. He's grown a little more vocal recently about how massive the bodybuilding guys are now and rather distorted (possible ex: Seth Feroce), but it was his generation that helped bring in the modern era. I don't think Arnold has shied away from his past in this regard (hard to when having heart surgery more than likely linked to anabolic use), which, I guess I find refreshing.

brandonmenc 10y ago
> it was his generation that helped bring in the modern era I'd argue that Dorian Yates et al ushered in the "mass monster" era we're currently in. Steroid use in Arnold's generation was mild (a little bit of Dianabol, no PCT) and most of those guys didn't start using until they were already at an elite level.
- 6stringmerc 10y ago
  Yeah Dorian for sure, his interviews have been really interesting as well. Dorian said basically though he was just using larger doses of Test, nothing fancy. It's not that Arnold wasn't gifted or hard working, but it's also important to keep in mind "a little bit of Dianabol" goes a long way with even basic attention to training and diet, both of which I do agree Arnold already was working with.
  - brandonmenc 10y ago
    > "a little bit of Dianabol" goes a long way Oh yeah, for sure. "[Mike Mentzer] told us that his entire physique morphed after he started using Dianabol and Deca for the first time." From this great interview, if anyone is interested: http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/muscle-building-myths-exposed-part-1/ http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/muscle-building-myths-exposed... http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/muscle-building-myths-exposed-part-2/ http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/muscle-building-myths-exposed...
    - 6stringmerc 10y ago
      Personally I think some traditional PEDs are fantastic and would love for them to be more accessible. Not necessarily OTC but a lot closer. Thanks for the articles, I know Mike's name and will definitely dig in! I did the whole "get educated" before putting anything in my body, and frankly, have enjoyed what many things have done (several now banned in the US ugh). I'm kind of talking around it, but what bothers me is guys who obviously are on great designer gear - The Rock, Hugh Jackman, Marky Mark - but claim otherwise, or minimize what role actually pushing their genetic envelope via PEDs helped them pull off. Pretending otherwise doesn't sit well with me.
      - brandonmenc 10y ago
        One guy who owns it, is Stallone. However, that may have been the reason why Australia busted him with HGH - even though probably every fit celebrity over age forty travels with it.

brandonmenc 10y ago

> it was his generation that helped bring in the modern era I'd argue that Dorian Yates et al ushered in the "mass monster" era we're currently in. Steroid use in Arnold's generation was mild (a little bit of Dianabol, no PCT) and most of those guys didn't start using until they were already at an elite level.

6stringmerc 10y ago
Yeah Dorian for sure, his interviews have been really interesting as well. Dorian said basically though he was just using larger doses of Test, nothing fancy. It's not that Arnold wasn't gifted or hard working, but it's also important to keep in mind "a little bit of Dianabol" goes a long way with even basic attention to training and diet, both of which I do agree Arnold already was working with.
- brandonmenc 10y ago
  > "a little bit of Dianabol" goes a long way Oh yeah, for sure. "[Mike Mentzer] told us that his entire physique morphed after he started using Dianabol and Deca for the first time." From this great interview, if anyone is interested: http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/muscle-building-myths-exposed-part-1/ http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/muscle-building-myths-exposed... http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/muscle-building-myths-exposed-part-2/ http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/muscle-building-myths-exposed...
  - 6stringmerc 10y ago
    Personally I think some traditional PEDs are fantastic and would love for them to be more accessible. Not necessarily OTC but a lot closer. Thanks for the articles, I know Mike's name and will definitely dig in! I did the whole "get educated" before putting anything in my body, and frankly, have enjoyed what many things have done (several now banned in the US ugh). I'm kind of talking around it, but what bothers me is guys who obviously are on great designer gear - The Rock, Hugh Jackman, Marky Mark - but claim otherwise, or minimize what role actually pushing their genetic envelope via PEDs helped them pull off. Pretending otherwise doesn't sit well with me.
    - brandonmenc 10y ago
      One guy who owns it, is Stallone. However, that may have been the reason why Australia busted him with HGH - even though probably every fit celebrity over age forty travels with it.