Very true. I remember wanting to throw my computer out the window when I had errors relative to this, pass by ref, or when a callback gets called when learning

Very true. I remember wanting to throw my computer out the window when I had errors relative to this, pass by ref, or when a callback gets called when learning js through react/redux. But I think react is what motivated me to learn js in the first place, so it goes both ways. Indeed, I think the best way to learn a coding is motivation. And the best motivation is making something you cherish. To me, it was a music web app I'm still working on. I had tried to learn JS many times in the past and had never succeeded. React allowed me to structure my code (the wrong way at first, I had everything in react components not just view logic, but gave me structure none the less) and think about my UI in an object manner. Moreover, this way, I ran into problems, looked for solutions and learned this way. As opposed to learning solutions and finding problems they solve. Little by little I got to see why I might need react-router and redux. Redux made my life so much easier (no need to pass state in a hierarchical way anymore, any component can read and modify state of other components regardless of relative tree position, and in a safe explicit way). After a year of having learned frontend this way, I consider myself a js coder. I made a fairly simple website the other day (just django + jquery) I'm kinda proud of. This web app was the first and only web project I had ever done, and this jquery website was done in a couple days. My third ever project (I'm working on it as I'm writing this) is a cfd solver in js using web workers and SIMD for the solver and react/redux/d3 for the frontend. I've tried to learn to code so many time to be able to spin up projects like this (in this case, to review and practice my cfd, not build airplanes), and I was never able to because I never had the motivation to finish learning about ifs and loops of whatever language whenever I started reading a book about it. The hardest thing about learning js through react is that a js beginner wants to user JSX. I came from HTML (a whiiiile ago), so it made (and still makes) sense for me to use JSX (and it made zero sense to me not to use it). The problem of course, is that I had to introduce myself with babel and browserify (because even the latest Safari doesn't understand JSX). But once that's set up, you've already understood about npm and compilation. So you pretty much already know how to use ES# or SASS if you want to use it. And minifying is just a few lines of code and SO answers away. I guess this has become the story of "how I learned to code", but I wanted to share how starting with a "it's too complex for a beginner" project and jumping straight into react/redux and skipping over vanilla could be beneficial if one has the motivation to finish the project but not the attention span to go through vanilla beforehand. Because one will have to learn vanilla to succeed at anything anyway, but by making stuff you really care about at the same time in this case. Btw, I think what got me to say "fuck it, I'll jump straight into react and build shit, fuck all these tutorials" was that I read a while ago a quote about the tumblr guy saying something along the lines of "the only way to learn to code is to make a project you care about" and my older brother telling me "learn django, you'll be able to make websites and you'll have learned some python at the same time" (he's an experienced coder knowing I was not).