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Some good friends and advisors, incredible hard work, Primobolan, Deca Durabolin, and Dianabol, and you're all set.

by CPLX 10y ago

raverbashing 10y ago
Steroids are not a magical solution
sergiotapia 10y ago
Common misconception from people who don't work out. Steroids will only allow you to work even harder to achieve the result you are gunning for. You don't go through a cycle and immediately become swole.
- CPLX 10y ago
  I work out. That hard work is required as well is not a secret, which is why I mentioned it. Arnold is actually a somewhat inspiring figure. But clicking on the article and looking at that comical photo of him in a bath robe prompted the comment. He left out a few of the secrets of his success in the story, so I mentioned them by name.
- adrianN 10y ago
  Sitting on your butt shooting test is twice as effective (over 10 weeks) than not shooting test and exercising for 10 weeks: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101#t=article http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101#t=a... "Fat-free mass did not change significantly in the group assigned to placebo but no exercise (Table 4 and Figure 1Figure 1Changes from Base Line in Mean (±SE) Fat-free Mass, Triceps and Quadriceps Cross-Sectional Areas, and Muscle Strength in the Bench-Press and Squatting Exercises over the 10 Weeks of Treatment.). The men treated with testosterone but no exercise had an increase of 3.2 kg in fat-free mass, and those in the placebo-plus-exercise group had an increase of 1.9 kg. The increase in the testosterone-plus-exercise group was substantially greater (averaging 6.1 kg). The percentage of body fat did not change significantly in any group (data not shown)."
  - ksk 10y ago
    Its fun to google and paste links to studies. But you also need to do some work if you want people to think that its relevant. Could you detail how you established that this is a study whose results have been replicated or otherwise accepted into the general body of knowledge as applicable for the general population? If not, what if any are the contingent factors that would preclude its applicability for people not represented in the sample that was chosen for the study?
    - adrianN 10y ago
      How did the guy to whom I replied validate his broscience? I'm not going to write a PhD thesis in a HN comment box. At least I cited a source. If you don't feel that my comment is relevant you're free to ignore it and move on with your life.
      - ksk 10y ago
        Citing something doesn't mean you're any closer to the truth than the 'broscience' crowd. A lot of broscience people are buff and they think their success validates their ideas. >If you don't feel that my comment is relevant you're free to ignore it and move on with your life. Thanks for the advice.
- westiseast 10y ago
  I always think it's worth pointing out the BS inherent in the "I take steroids but I actually work harder than non-steroid users". (ps. I hav nothing against steroids/PEDs; I just hate the moral equivocating around them) Steroids/PEDs in general allow you to get bigger than your genetic/physical limits should allow, in a much shorter period of time, and/or spend more time exercising in a given period than a natty equivalent. So, if I'm natty, and I do a heavy workout on my arms, I need to wait 2 days or 3 days or whatever until I recover before I can hammer them again. If I'm on the juice, then I wait a day, or less. Plus my recovery will be enhanced, so instead of growing 1-2lbs of total muscle a month, I might grow 5-6lbs. So, because steroid users can exercise heavily every day, and make outrageous gains that means they're pulling heavy weights pretty quickly, or ridiculous rep counts, they say they're working harder. I question this - non-steroid users are working just as hard, but their work is spaced out over a longer period, with less visible gains and improvements. At least to me, this isn't "working harder" - it's 100% attributable to the drugs, and not to some other exterior, alternative mental factor or higher degree of commitment from the athlete.
  - taneq 10y ago
    A funny car running nitro pulls harder than the same car just running methanol fuel. I think you could pretty fairly argue that it's "working harder". You wouldn't give it more credit for determination, though.
  - Ensorceled 10y ago
    This is an odd definition of "working just as hard". I wouldn't recommend explaining to your boss that way: "Yes, I'm only working in the morning and then playing computer games the rest of the day. But I'm working just as hard as the rest of the team, just spread out over more days."
    - westiseast 10y ago
      Maybe a better way of saying it is that whatever your fitness/sports goals, generally speaking steroids/PEDs will allow you to achieve them in less time and with less effort than non-users. I.e. if you and I starting from a similar base decide we want to achieve 20 pull-ups, and we will go to the gym for 1hr a day, 3 and a week doing roughly the same routine, if I use steroids, I'll start pulling away from you extremely quickly. The steroid-user 'hard work' implication is often: "steroids aren't a massive advantage to me, the critical factor in my success is my hard work". I'm just saying that the critical factor is and always will he the steroids. Non-steroid users work just as hard, and in some ways harder because they need more patience, commitment and resolve over a longer period of time with more incremental gains to achieve the same result.

Some good friends and advisors, incredible hard work, Primobolan, Deca Durabolin, and Dianabol, and you're all set.

by CPLX 10y ago

Some good friends and advisors, incredible hard work, Primobolan, Deca Durabolin, and Dianabol, and you're all set.

raverbashing 10y ago

Steroids are not a magical solution

sergiotapia 10y ago

Common misconception from people who don't work out. Steroids will only allow you to work even harder to achieve the result you are gunning for. You don't go through a cycle and immediately become swole.

CPLX 10y ago
I work out. That hard work is required as well is not a secret, which is why I mentioned it. Arnold is actually a somewhat inspiring figure. But clicking on the article and looking at that comical photo of him in a bath robe prompted the comment. He left out a few of the secrets of his success in the story, so I mentioned them by name.
adrianN 10y ago
Sitting on your butt shooting test is twice as effective (over 10 weeks) than not shooting test and exercising for 10 weeks: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101#t=article http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101#t=a... "Fat-free mass did not change significantly in the group assigned to placebo but no exercise (Table 4 and Figure 1Figure 1Changes from Base Line in Mean (±SE) Fat-free Mass, Triceps and Quadriceps Cross-Sectional Areas, and Muscle Strength in the Bench-Press and Squatting Exercises over the 10 Weeks of Treatment.). The men treated with testosterone but no exercise had an increase of 3.2 kg in fat-free mass, and those in the placebo-plus-exercise group had an increase of 1.9 kg. The increase in the testosterone-plus-exercise group was substantially greater (averaging 6.1 kg). The percentage of body fat did not change significantly in any group (data not shown)."
- ksk 10y ago
  Its fun to google and paste links to studies. But you also need to do some work if you want people to think that its relevant. Could you detail how you established that this is a study whose results have been replicated or otherwise accepted into the general body of knowledge as applicable for the general population? If not, what if any are the contingent factors that would preclude its applicability for people not represented in the sample that was chosen for the study?
  - adrianN 10y ago
    How did the guy to whom I replied validate his broscience? I'm not going to write a PhD thesis in a HN comment box. At least I cited a source. If you don't feel that my comment is relevant you're free to ignore it and move on with your life.
    - ksk 10y ago
      Citing something doesn't mean you're any closer to the truth than the 'broscience' crowd. A lot of broscience people are buff and they think their success validates their ideas. >If you don't feel that my comment is relevant you're free to ignore it and move on with your life. Thanks for the advice.
westiseast 10y ago
I always think it's worth pointing out the BS inherent in the "I take steroids but I actually work harder than non-steroid users". (ps. I hav nothing against steroids/PEDs; I just hate the moral equivocating around them) Steroids/PEDs in general allow you to get bigger than your genetic/physical limits should allow, in a much shorter period of time, and/or spend more time exercising in a given period than a natty equivalent. So, if I'm natty, and I do a heavy workout on my arms, I need to wait 2 days or 3 days or whatever until I recover before I can hammer them again. If I'm on the juice, then I wait a day, or less. Plus my recovery will be enhanced, so instead of growing 1-2lbs of total muscle a month, I might grow 5-6lbs. So, because steroid users can exercise heavily every day, and make outrageous gains that means they're pulling heavy weights pretty quickly, or ridiculous rep counts, they say they're working harder. I question this - non-steroid users are working just as hard, but their work is spaced out over a longer period, with less visible gains and improvements. At least to me, this isn't "working harder" - it's 100% attributable to the drugs, and not to some other exterior, alternative mental factor or higher degree of commitment from the athlete.
- taneq 10y ago
  A funny car running nitro pulls harder than the same car just running methanol fuel. I think you could pretty fairly argue that it's "working harder". You wouldn't give it more credit for determination, though.
- Ensorceled 10y ago
  This is an odd definition of "working just as hard". I wouldn't recommend explaining to your boss that way: "Yes, I'm only working in the morning and then playing computer games the rest of the day. But I'm working just as hard as the rest of the team, just spread out over more days."
  - westiseast 10y ago
    Maybe a better way of saying it is that whatever your fitness/sports goals, generally speaking steroids/PEDs will allow you to achieve them in less time and with less effort than non-users. I.e. if you and I starting from a similar base decide we want to achieve 20 pull-ups, and we will go to the gym for 1hr a day, 3 and a week doing roughly the same routine, if I use steroids, I'll start pulling away from you extremely quickly. The steroid-user 'hard work' implication is often: "steroids aren't a massive advantage to me, the critical factor in my success is my hard work". I'm just saying that the critical factor is and always will he the steroids. Non-steroid users work just as hard, and in some ways harder because they need more patience, commitment and resolve over a longer period of time with more incremental gains to achieve the same result.