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For workplace, sure. But the only reason I don't run exclusively on Mac or Linux is gaming. I've spent a lot of money and time in that ecosystem for that single

by OskarS 10y ago

For workplace, sure. But the only reason I don't run exclusively on Mac or Linux is gaming. I've spent a lot of money and time in that ecosystem for that single reason. There's a lot of people that care about gaming, even if you don't.

pjmlp 10y ago
This will hardly change, back on my hard GNU/Linux days I came to realise that the gamer/demoscene culture and UNIX culture are totally opposed to each other. The gaming and demoscene cultures don't care 1 second how much their tools cost, the openess of hardware and software tooling, rather the achieved results and getting their stuff on the hands of users, regardless how. The GNU/Linux culture is all about the ideology of having stuff for free, replicating a desktop experience as if CDE was the epitome of UX, fulled with xterms. Of course I am generalising and might get tons of counter examples, just noting my personal experience regarding friends and co-workers.
- palunon 10y ago
  >the ideology of having stuff for free, Yeah, no. Having free stuff (as in speech), yeah. Having stuff for free ? That's not the UNIX culture...
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    That is why there are so many successful commercial applications being sold on GNU/Linux.
    - wolfgke 10y ago
      If the desktop APIs break all the time and there are lots of incompatibilities between distributions, it is really hard to sell commercial applications on GNU/Linux.
- coldpie 10y ago
  > The GNU/Linux culture is all about the ideology of having stuff for free Uh, no. It's about having the freedom to fix, improve, or otherwise modify the software you use. Being free-as-in-beer happens to be a requirement for that, but it isn't the goal. Think about it this way: free software developers get paid to do work, instead of getting paid for having done work like proprietary software developers. You pay me to implement feature X, which is then released to the world for further improvement in the future.
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    Why should I bother to pay you, if others do the work for free to build portfolio for job interviews?
    - coldpie 10y ago
      Well, do you want the work done or not?
      - pjmlp 10y ago
        The point I was trying to make was why the culture of free-as-beer doesn't lead to successful commercial desktop software on GNU/Linux.
        coldpie 10y ago
        The point I'm trying to make is no one wants commercial desktop software on Linux. We want software we can fix and improve without requiring anyone's permission.
        pjmlp 10y ago
        Which is precisely the point that drove me back to Windows, Mac and mobile platforms. No point trying to play D. Quixote attempting business on the desktop with such mentality.
    - 10y ago

by OskarS 10y ago

pjmlp 10y ago

This will hardly change, back on my hard GNU/Linux days I came to realise that the gamer/demoscene culture and UNIX culture are totally opposed to each other. The gaming and demoscene cultures don't care 1 second how much their tools cost, the openess of hardware and software tooling, rather the achieved results and getting their stuff on the hands of users, regardless how. The GNU/Linux culture is all about the ideology of having stuff for free, replicating a desktop experience as if CDE was the epitome of UX, fulled with xterms. Of course I am generalising and might get tons of counter examples, just noting my personal experience regarding friends and co-workers.

palunon 10y ago
>the ideology of having stuff for free, Yeah, no. Having free stuff (as in speech), yeah. Having stuff for free ? That's not the UNIX culture...
- pjmlp 10y ago
  That is why there are so many successful commercial applications being sold on GNU/Linux.
  - wolfgke 10y ago
    If the desktop APIs break all the time and there are lots of incompatibilities between distributions, it is really hard to sell commercial applications on GNU/Linux.
coldpie 10y ago
> The GNU/Linux culture is all about the ideology of having stuff for free Uh, no. It's about having the freedom to fix, improve, or otherwise modify the software you use. Being free-as-in-beer happens to be a requirement for that, but it isn't the goal. Think about it this way: free software developers get paid to do work, instead of getting paid for having done work like proprietary software developers. You pay me to implement feature X, which is then released to the world for further improvement in the future.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  Why should I bother to pay you, if others do the work for free to build portfolio for job interviews?
  - coldpie 10y ago
    Well, do you want the work done or not?
    - pjmlp 10y ago
      The point I was trying to make was why the culture of free-as-beer doesn't lead to successful commercial desktop software on GNU/Linux.
      - coldpie 10y ago
        The point I'm trying to make is no one wants commercial desktop software on Linux. We want software we can fix and improve without requiring anyone's permission.
        pjmlp 10y ago
        Which is precisely the point that drove me back to Windows, Mac and mobile platforms. No point trying to play D. Quixote attempting business on the desktop with such mentality.
  - 10y ago