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I'm from Belarus. Belarus laws and politics had been for a long time a playground for Russia. Kinda "before implementing it for all users in production, let's

by deepsun 10y ago

I'm from Belarus. Belarus laws and politics had been for a long time a playground for Russia. Kinda "before implementing it for all users in production, let's try it on a smaller audience to see if it works or not." So this ban is mostly an exercise for Russia, to get some experience.

Proof 10y ago
I'm from Finlan ld but visting the US, till February and I have a feeling US will watch Belarus very closely to see if it is successful thrn will try to quietly implement a ban or interfere with Tor as best as they can. Rule 41 is a mere Apptizer. The Americans have yet to receive their Entrés. What's even more scary is the radical laws being fought for in Canada as of today.
- rblatz 10y ago
  I doubt it, the US government invented and has been a major sponsor to the tor project. https://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/ https://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/
  - whybroke 10y ago
    Historically yes. But I suggest bookmarking this comment and coming back to it in a few years to see how prophetic or absurd it turns out.
    - wruza 10y ago
      https://xkcd.com/628/ https://xkcd.com/628/
      - whybroke 10y ago
        Really? A cartoon about the Jeane Dixon fallacy is a response? I think you're going to find the next years very surprising indeed. Even now, using tor is de facto grounds for a wiretap[1] And I apologize in advance if my evidence is actually on topic and doesn't have funny pictures. [1]https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/05/section-702-mohamud-appeals-ruling/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/05/section-702-mohamud-appeal...
        mSparks 10y ago
        back in the day, using a bbs was grounds for a wiretap. (The fact bbs were full of phreakers had absolutely nothing to do with it im sure....) so they sit, they listen, then do what exactly? Someone has to read through the material, decipher it, translate it, interpret it. and how exactly do you act on it? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3A_VT9YGA10 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3A_VT9YGA10
  - mSparks 10y ago
    its easy to see both the upside and downside of this though. its also only really a problem for americans. since the us government is paying to ensure other countries governments cant interfer with free communication. its a matter of opinion wether they also managed to gain the ability to interfere with free communication themselves. but since the "Next best alternative" is ssl/tls. kinda a moot point.
  - deleted 10y ago
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avodonosov 10y ago
I'm from Belarus too. Consider the above a fantasy.
- clort 10y ago
  I am neither from Belarus nor Russia and don't know what to think here. If either of you can provide some references to back up your positions that would be great, thanks.
  - avodonosov 10y ago
    My position is equal to yours: unless there are facts, it's a fantasy (modestly saying). Moreover, in this particular case there are facts which don't fit into the idea that Russia first experiments in Belarus. For example Russia has a regulation that personal info of user should be stored inside the country (LinkeIn was banned recently for not obeying this regulation). There is no such regulation in Belarus. If Russia was experimenting first in Belarus they would try it here first. Also, there is Chinese experience to study, I don't see any need for additional experiments. So, it's nothing more than a conspiracy superstition.
    - yuliyp 10y ago
      https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120103/07193917260/no-belarus-is-not-cut-off-internet-new-restrictions-are-still-pretty-bad.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120103/07193917260/no-be... looks likda similar
      - avodonosov 10y ago
        It's ukaz #60, an internet regulation in Belarus. It's different from the Russian regulation about storing user's data in the country and it confirms the countries progress in regulating new areas, like internet, independently. Everyone looks at everyone's experience, but it's not like one country is a playground for another.
        10y ago

by deepsun 10y ago

Proof 10y ago

I'm from Finlan ld but visting the US, till February and I have a feeling US will watch Belarus very closely to see if it is successful thrn will try to quietly implement a ban or interfere with Tor as best as they can. Rule 41 is a mere Apptizer. The Americans have yet to receive their Entrés. What's even more scary is the radical laws being fought for in Canada as of today.

rblatz 10y ago
I doubt it, the US government invented and has been a major sponsor to the tor project. https://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/ https://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/
- whybroke 10y ago
  Historically yes. But I suggest bookmarking this comment and coming back to it in a few years to see how prophetic or absurd it turns out.
  - wruza 10y ago
    https://xkcd.com/628/ https://xkcd.com/628/
    - whybroke 10y ago
      Really? A cartoon about the Jeane Dixon fallacy is a response? I think you're going to find the next years very surprising indeed. Even now, using tor is de facto grounds for a wiretap[1] And I apologize in advance if my evidence is actually on topic and doesn't have funny pictures. [1]https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/05/section-702-mohamud-appeals-ruling/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/05/section-702-mohamud-appeal...
      - mSparks 10y ago
        back in the day, using a bbs was grounds for a wiretap. (The fact bbs were full of phreakers had absolutely nothing to do with it im sure....) so they sit, they listen, then do what exactly? Someone has to read through the material, decipher it, translate it, interpret it. and how exactly do you act on it? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3A_VT9YGA10 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3A_VT9YGA10
- mSparks 10y ago
  its easy to see both the upside and downside of this though. its also only really a problem for americans. since the us government is paying to ensure other countries governments cant interfer with free communication. its a matter of opinion wether they also managed to gain the ability to interfere with free communication themselves. but since the "Next best alternative" is ssl/tls. kinda a moot point.
- deleted 10y ago
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avodonosov 10y ago

I'm from Belarus too. Consider the above a fantasy.

clort 10y ago
I am neither from Belarus nor Russia and don't know what to think here. If either of you can provide some references to back up your positions that would be great, thanks.
- avodonosov 10y ago
  My position is equal to yours: unless there are facts, it's a fantasy (modestly saying). Moreover, in this particular case there are facts which don't fit into the idea that Russia first experiments in Belarus. For example Russia has a regulation that personal info of user should be stored inside the country (LinkeIn was banned recently for not obeying this regulation). There is no such regulation in Belarus. If Russia was experimenting first in Belarus they would try it here first. Also, there is Chinese experience to study, I don't see any need for additional experiments. So, it's nothing more than a conspiracy superstition.
  - yuliyp 10y ago
    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120103/07193917260/no-belarus-is-not-cut-off-internet-new-restrictions-are-still-pretty-bad.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120103/07193917260/no-be... looks likda similar
    - avodonosov 10y ago
      It's ukaz #60, an internet regulation in Belarus. It's different from the Russian regulation about storing user's data in the country and it confirms the countries progress in regulating new areas, like internet, independently. Everyone looks at everyone's experience, but it's not like one country is a playground for another.
      - 10y ago