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This is a common argument for basic income and, even though you say "Do not take the State as something socialist or communist", your argument is the same as it
by mattlevan 10y ago
This is a common argument for basic income and, even though you say "Do not take the State as something socialist or communist", your argument is the same as it is for socialism and communism.
You say, "Do not take the State as something socialist or communist, taking from someone and giving it to someone for free; no, this is provided by us, the population, for us, the population."
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Here's the problem.
Can you think about what, exactly, "the population" is? Is it tangible? Is it a singular physical entity?
The answer is no, "the population" is merely a collection of individuals! Individuals, of course, exist-- they are tangible, singular, physical entities. You are one. I am one. Individuals exist.
Populations, on the other hand, are abstractions.
My point is this: when an abstraction needs to be represented, it cannot do so itself. In this case, individuals are required to represent the population because, well, individuals are the only ones with the actual ability to do so.
Under your proposed system in which the State provides basic income to each and every individual, who decides how much each is given? Who will be the ones to actually control the means of production; and who will be the ones to actually control distribution of goods? Only some will.
If you think democracy as it exists today already performs poorly in representing the ENTIRE population (i.e., representing each individual fully to their individual desires) (think of the surprising amount of people who feel conned by the election results), then just imagine the extent by which people will likely feel when the State is responsible for just about E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G in E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E-'-S life!
- mistermann 10y agoYou're not wrong. > Under your proposed system in which the State provides basic income to each and every individual > who decides how much each is given? Hopefully economists, mathematicians, business & social services leaders. It's extremely complicated. > Who will be the ones to actually control the means of production, and who will be the ones to actually control distribution of goods? Will largely be decided already at that point, we're well on our way already. As for your final question, as automation increasingly destroys jobs, there is going to be increasingly severe social unrest - only then will basic income start to be seriously discussed, and by that time many people will likely be worrying for their safety, even wealthy people.
- ainiriand 10y agoWhen I say the population I am referring to a set of people who actually believes that colaboration and resource sharing is the best way to success. This 'population' (countries), are the places I want to live. For example, I would never live in the USA, because you dont take care of each other, you are an individualist society.