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I'm going to ignore the whataboutism you spew. Also, Elon musk has done amazing work with electric cars, sustainable energy and space travel. No doubt about th

I'm going to ignore the whataboutism you spew. Also, Elon musk has done amazing work with electric cars, sustainable energy and space travel. No doubt about that. But this is about Autopilot, a collection of driver assistance program. Not sure about OP, but my spite with Tesla is that they are pushing the above-mentioned driver assistance programs as self-driving features. This over-selling is going to kill people. And for your information, lane keeping assist, lane driving assist, automated cruise control (which is pretty much AP1.0) have been present in several cars. Even self parking has been demoed by several cars. Add in automatic lane changing (which doesn't sound difficult to me), it wraps up Enhanced AP1.0. Does that sound like a completely autonomous self driving car? Because that's what the public perception is like.

MicroBerto 10y ago
> This over-selling is going to kill people. Yes, this is what I meant in my comment. I know there are going to be massive hurdles here, but Tesla seems to be shooting from the hip wayyyy too much for my comfort level. I'm not a full believer that this can only be solved by OTA software updates. If that Tesla had a LIDAR on top of the car like Google's vehicles do, a man would still be alive. > whataboutism That was a very nice way of putting that pile of rubbish of a comment. You must have made it further than I did, I stopped reading at the word "decided". You are too kind.
dang 10y ago
Please don't call names ('you spew') in arguments. If someone is wrong, explain so civilly. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
- MicroBerto 10y ago
  How is "you spew" namecalling? I was the one personally attacked in this thread, not the other way around. Just because my comment doesn't fit the Musk Worship narrative doesn't make me wrong. Was someone not killed by a malfunctioning / underprepared Tesla? What am I missing here????
  - dang 10y ago
    "You spew" is a pejorative. Examples: https://twitter.com/search?q="you%20spew" https://twitter.com/search?q="you%20spew" https://www.google.com/webhp#q=site%3Atwitter.com%20%22you%20spew%22 https://www.google.com/webhp#q=site%3Atwitter.com%20%22you%2... What you're missing is that even though someone was uncivil to you on HN, you needed to remain civil in return. That's the social contract here, and we need it to prevent discourse from degenerating even further.
    - MicroBerto 10y ago
      Given that there is no report button or ability to downvote someone that replies to you (at least not on mobile for me), it is only reasonable to defend myself in that situation. The ensuing attacker went to my profile, researched me and my business, and personally attacked me because they disagreed with my sentiment. What is my recourse for action in such a case? Take it on the chin like a wimp? I don't think so. If you don't provide appropriate tools to stop a tit attack, then you are fostering an unfair and "unsafe" environment by banning tit-for-tat response. You are turning this community into a one-way echo chamber.
      - dang 10y ago
        Your recourse is to email hn@ycombinator.com, as the site guidelines ask. Note that I chided that person for what they did, which of course was wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right, though, and you're continuing to break the rules while they at least stopped. For civil discussion we all need to hold ourselves to a higher standard than the one we perceive other people to be keeping, because the only alternative is a downward spiral, and an accelerating one. If you want to keep commenting here, we need you to internalize that.

MicroBerto 10y ago

> This over-selling is going to kill people. Yes, this is what I meant in my comment. I know there are going to be massive hurdles here, but Tesla seems to be shooting from the hip wayyyy too much for my comfort level. I'm not a full believer that this can only be solved by OTA software updates. If that Tesla had a LIDAR on top of the car like Google's vehicles do, a man would still be alive. > whataboutism That was a very nice way of putting that pile of rubbish of a comment. You must have made it further than I did, I stopped reading at the word "decided". You are too kind.

dang 10y ago

Please don't call names ('you spew') in arguments. If someone is wrong, explain so civilly. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

MicroBerto 10y ago
How is "you spew" namecalling? I was the one personally attacked in this thread, not the other way around. Just because my comment doesn't fit the Musk Worship narrative doesn't make me wrong. Was someone not killed by a malfunctioning / underprepared Tesla? What am I missing here????
- dang 10y ago
  "You spew" is a pejorative. Examples: https://twitter.com/search?q="you%20spew" https://twitter.com/search?q="you%20spew" https://www.google.com/webhp#q=site%3Atwitter.com%20%22you%20spew%22 https://www.google.com/webhp#q=site%3Atwitter.com%20%22you%2... What you're missing is that even though someone was uncivil to you on HN, you needed to remain civil in return. That's the social contract here, and we need it to prevent discourse from degenerating even further.
  - MicroBerto 10y ago
    Given that there is no report button or ability to downvote someone that replies to you (at least not on mobile for me), it is only reasonable to defend myself in that situation. The ensuing attacker went to my profile, researched me and my business, and personally attacked me because they disagreed with my sentiment. What is my recourse for action in such a case? Take it on the chin like a wimp? I don't think so. If you don't provide appropriate tools to stop a tit attack, then you are fostering an unfair and "unsafe" environment by banning tit-for-tat response. You are turning this community into a one-way echo chamber.
    - dang 10y ago
      Your recourse is to email hn@ycombinator.com, as the site guidelines ask. Note that I chided that person for what they did, which of course was wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right, though, and you're continuing to break the rules while they at least stopped. For civil discussion we all need to hold ourselves to a higher standard than the one we perceive other people to be keeping, because the only alternative is a downward spiral, and an accelerating one. If you want to keep commenting here, we need you to internalize that.