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When it comes to issues I care about most (mass incarceration, surveillance, war, poverty, torture and corruption) both parties are effectively identical.
by cmdrfred 10y ago
When it comes to issues I care about most (mass incarceration, surveillance, war, poverty, torture and corruption) both parties are effectively identical.
- vkou 10y agoThe place to change that is the primaries.
- nitrogen 10y agoThis thread could rapidly veer out of control, so rather than add my counterargument here, can I (as an ordinary user not affiliated with HN) suggest that we stop here, or at least hold ourselves to a minimum length and point/counterpoint format?
- rspeer 10y agoParticularly for local and state elections (where all of those issues besides war and torture will primarily be decided).
- chetanahuja 10y agoOn a purely scientific level, US is about to run an experiment where they're handing power completely over to one side of the aisle for at least 2 full years after having a split government for the last 6. You're likely to get sufficient data during this period to make your determination whether your (IMHO ill-informed) opinion is indeed true.
- cmdrfred 10y agoI'm keeping an open mind, if it ends up as more of the same again I hope you will as well.
- chetanahuja 10y agoCurrently I'm mostly keeping an open mouth watching the events that are unfolding in this timeline.
- eli_gottlieb 10y agoI think the transition Cabinet already shows that there is some difference. Clinton would not have dreamed of trying to abolish Social Security.
- hackinthebochs 10y agoOnly those holding an insufficient amount of nuance on these issues can honestly believe that.
- nickpsecurity 10y agoNot true. Both final candidates supported and benefited from the causes of most of that list. They also mocked various Constitutional amendments. Tyrants that are just the same for that list and what supposedly empowers them.