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iPod to iPhone was certainly not 0 to 1.

manarth 10y ago
The iPhone was released in June 2007. At that point, the iPod models were Classic (click-wheel), Mini (click-wheel), Nano (click-wheel), and Shuffle (screenless). The first iPod Touch wasn't until September 2007, 3 months after the first iPhone. When the iPhone 1 was released, the iPod range didn't have much on any other MP3 player. All the things that make an iPhone an iPhone - the touch-screen, multi-touch, iOS, didn't come from the iPod. Perhaps iPod to iPhone wasn't quite 0 to 1, but it wouldn't have been much more than 0.001 to 1.
- ravitation 10y ago
  COPY: Compare Apple, a consumer electronics company, building a phone to Google, an ad tech company, building a self driving car. One seems to leverage the core competencies of an organization better than the other... One seems closer to starting from 0...
blackguardx 10y ago
I'm an electrical engineer and know people who were on the first iPhone team. I think it was about as close to 0 to 1 as you get in a big company like that. I worked for a major RF test and measurement company when the first iPhone came out and everyone was blown away that a company could design and tool up production for a cell phone without tipping anyone off in the industry.
- ravitation 10y ago
  Compare Apple, a consumer electronics company, building a phone to Google, an ad tech company, building a self driving car. One seems to leverage the core competencies of an organization better than the other... One seems closer to starting from 0...
  - Locke1689 10y ago
    That's just because you don't understand Google. It was a ML company going from building ML for the internet to building ML for a car.
  - weaksauce 10y ago
    I mean, google is not quite going from 0 to 1 there. it's a machine learning problem and google has some of the brightest machine learning people out there already working on search.
  - blackguardx 10y ago
    Google hired the team that won the Darpa Grand Challenge.

The iPhone was released in June 2007. At that point, the iPod models were Classic (click-wheel), Mini (click-wheel), Nano (click-wheel), and Shuffle (screenless). The first iPod Touch wasn't until September 2007, 3 months after the first iPhone. When the iPhone 1 was released, the iPod range didn't have much on any other MP3 player. All the things that make an iPhone an iPhone - the touch-screen, multi-touch, iOS, didn't come from the iPod. Perhaps iPod to iPhone wasn't quite 0 to 1, but it wouldn't have been much more than 0.001 to 1.

ravitation 10y ago
COPY: Compare Apple, a consumer electronics company, building a phone to Google, an ad tech company, building a self driving car. One seems to leverage the core competencies of an organization better than the other... One seems closer to starting from 0...

blackguardx 10y ago

I'm an electrical engineer and know people who were on the first iPhone team. I think it was about as close to 0 to 1 as you get in a big company like that. I worked for a major RF test and measurement company when the first iPhone came out and everyone was blown away that a company could design and tool up production for a cell phone without tipping anyone off in the industry.

ravitation 10y ago
Compare Apple, a consumer electronics company, building a phone to Google, an ad tech company, building a self driving car. One seems to leverage the core competencies of an organization better than the other... One seems closer to starting from 0...
- Locke1689 10y ago
  That's just because you don't understand Google. It was a ML company going from building ML for the internet to building ML for a car.
- weaksauce 10y ago
  I mean, google is not quite going from 0 to 1 there. it's a machine learning problem and google has some of the brightest machine learning people out there already working on search.
- blackguardx 10y ago
  Google hired the team that won the Darpa Grand Challenge.