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>The rule set out in the ITT training materials instructs recruiters to call "a minimum of three times a day for the first three days." This was known as the 3x
by fecak 10y ago
>The rule set out in the ITT training materials instructs recruiters to call "a minimum of three times a day for the first three days." This was known as the 3x3 rule.
That is bordering on harassment by most standards. Taking advantage of the underemployed has been happening for years, and in tech I remember when MCSE training programs were mostly marketed towards blue collar employees. Many graduated as "paper MCSEs" who were largely unable to get a job.
I hope that bootcamps and accelerated learning programs for developers don't eventually go this route. They seem to be behaving to this point.
- Unbeliever69 10y agoThere are some bootcamps that are owned by for-profit education companies.
- fecak 10y agoUnderstood. Hopefully the for-profit model can still co-exist with some decency when it comes to wooing students.
- mc32 10y agoI don't even understand bow that 3x3 rule would work to woo anyone. When I get more than one call like that be it car dealer, hardware vendor, solutions provider, etc. I tend to run away from them --it just loudly announces "desperation". That said, if they do it this much, it must work enough for them to pursue this tactic.
- pavedwalden 10y agoI knew a self-taught programmer who was a little sensitive about his lack of formal training. Sometimes he'd tell the story of when he was 19 and talked to a recruiter at ITT Tech and the school had 'wanted him' so much that they kept calling his house but his parents just couldn't afford it (thank goodness). He was a smart guy from a background where going to college wasn't on the menu. He managed to learn an impressive amount on his own, but I think that was one of the only times he'd felt welcomed or encouraged in his interests.
- ____nope 10y agoThey already are. I've talked to some recruiters who laugh at bootcamp programs on a resume. A few years ago nobody would ask me about my academic background in a job interview, but now they've started asking explicitly. I've been out of school for seven years, and nobody cared about my CS degree until this year. The reality is that degrees and certifications will be used in hiring as long as they are a useful indicator of aptitude. HR departments need to eliminate candidates from the hiring pool. At their zenith, the bootcamp programs were useful for recruiters because only the truly dedicated survived the bootcamp long enough to graduate. But with the proliferation of such programs, I think the day is quickly approaching when the market will be oversaturated with graduates and it will cease to be a useful indicator of aptitude.
- ThrustVectoring 10y agoDegrees and certifications aren't about finding aptitude. They're about protecting the hiring agent from the political fallout of bad hires. "It's not my fault I hired someone who couldn't program well. I mean, he went to Stanford."
- brianwawok 10y agoI don't really think that's true. If I were hiring developers I would pick a college grad over a high school dropout every time.
- ThrustVectoring 10y agoIf you have exactly one opening at a fixed salary for the offer and that's all you know about the two candidates, sure. If I magically knew their technical aptitude and employability in perfect detail, being a high school dropout is not just irrelevant, but actually a positive for the candidate. Other companies are looking to hire developers as well, and you're competing over the best-looking candidates. Like, there are plenty of great developers that you can't hire because they're happy making $250k/yr at Google.
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- paulcole 10y ago>That is bordering on harassment by most standards. Which standards are you referring to and what border is this approaching?