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What would be the point of assessing an isolated individual in a world of collaboration? Its akin to evaluating how someone would do something in the middle of

What would be the point of assessing an isolated individual in a world of collaboration? Its akin to evaluating how someone would do something in the middle of the jungle without tools or support. Sure, you will be able to know who does better in that setting, but what conclusion can you bring of that?

mcguire 10y ago
It's gonna kinda suck to be the engineering team where nobody actually learned calculus. Or the surgical team where everyone "collaborated" on basic anatomy.
- conanbatt 10y ago
  How would you know nobody learned calculus? You are comparing people that dont know to people that know with that allegory. In a collaborative setting you would be able to see what people build, teach each other, and learn. A team with 5 people that know 20% calculus can produce much better results than a team where 1 person knows 100%. And sometimes they wouldnt be able to produce a result at all.
enraged_camel 10y ago
>>What would be the point of assessing an isolated individual in a world of collaboration? Collaboration can only occur when each party has something meaningful to contribute.
SilasX 10y ago
Yes, you're absolutely right, that someone's effectiveness -- in academia or otherwise -- depends on those around them. But you still have to distinguish those who are not effective at all, contributing nothing, but who are still putting their name on the project. To use the sibling example, there's a difference between a surgeon who draws on other specialists in the operation, vs someone that knows nothing about surgery.
- conanbatt 10y ago
  > But you still have to distinguish those who are not effective at all, contributing nothing, but who are still putting their name on the project. You dont need an individual assessment to do that. The real work world is exemplary on that. People without degrees very often outrank and outperform people with degrees, either through curiosity or through other skills that make him a more important key member. In real life if someone is regarded as unproductive by his co-workers is not re-tested individually for validation.
cellularmitosis 10y ago
> but what conclusion can you bring of that Welllll you could conclude that they are in a prime position to create a YouTube channel with 178 million views /s https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA/about https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA/abo...

mcguire 10y ago

It's gonna kinda suck to be the engineering team where nobody actually learned calculus. Or the surgical team where everyone "collaborated" on basic anatomy.

conanbatt 10y ago
How would you know nobody learned calculus? You are comparing people that dont know to people that know with that allegory. In a collaborative setting you would be able to see what people build, teach each other, and learn. A team with 5 people that know 20% calculus can produce much better results than a team where 1 person knows 100%. And sometimes they wouldnt be able to produce a result at all.

enraged_camel 10y ago

>>What would be the point of assessing an isolated individual in a world of collaboration? Collaboration can only occur when each party has something meaningful to contribute.

SilasX 10y ago

Yes, you're absolutely right, that someone's effectiveness -- in academia or otherwise -- depends on those around them. But you still have to distinguish those who are not effective at all, contributing nothing, but who are still putting their name on the project. To use the sibling example, there's a difference between a surgeon who draws on other specialists in the operation, vs someone that knows nothing about surgery.

conanbatt 10y ago
> But you still have to distinguish those who are not effective at all, contributing nothing, but who are still putting their name on the project. You dont need an individual assessment to do that. The real work world is exemplary on that. People without degrees very often outrank and outperform people with degrees, either through curiosity or through other skills that make him a more important key member. In real life if someone is regarded as unproductive by his co-workers is not re-tested individually for validation.

cellularmitosis 10y ago

> but what conclusion can you bring of that Welllll you could conclude that they are in a prime position to create a YouTube channel with 178 million views /s https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA/about https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA/abo...