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Why isn't anyone talking about Wire? https://wire.com/ https://wire.com/ The little I've used it, I found it pleasant and effective. But it almost seems like
by blunte 10y ago
Why isn't anyone talking about Wire? https://wire.com/ https://wire.com/
The little I've used it, I found it pleasant and effective. But it almost seems like there is a campaign to ignore Wire; nearly every article written about Signal and alternatives fails to even mention Wire.
- junto 10y agoThis looks like a really good replacement for Skype, which we currently use to manage communication between remote working team members.
- funnyfacts365 10y agoUntil it's owner decides to sell it to eBay or MS like he did with Skype.
- BostonEnginerd 10y agoWire has a really great user interface and it works quite well! My wife and I communicate almost exclusively using it.
- walterbell 10y agoThe NYT article even mentions Signal weaknesses (e.g. multi-device support) that are addressed in Wire, without mentioning Wire. Poor journalism.
- eli_gottlieb 10y agoWell, now I've downloaded and installed Wire alongside Signal on my phone.
- zedred 10y agoThat's like saying there's a targeted campaign to ignore Skype because these articles don't mention it. You might like Wire, but it's not an app that people concerned with privacy should be using. They have done a bunch of shady things: 1. They lied about having end-to-end encryption in their app: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2855745/new-communications-app-wire-tones-down-encryption-claims.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2855745/new-communications-ap... 2. They lied about being open source for years. 3. They lied about being based in switzerland. They also have serious problems with their app: 1. The "encrypted" calls leak enough information to be able to reconstruct the audio. 2. Many features in the app, like GIF search, transmit plaintext directly back to Wire. 3. They rolled their own crypto, and experts disapprove of the choices they made. Journalists who write articles like this and don't mention Wire are doing their job. They've consulted with experts and aren't spreading misinformation.
- mei0Iesh 10y agoYou can't list a bunch of serious claims like the audio can be reconstructed with no additional information. There was a feud between the Signal people and Wire, so there is a lot of false info trying to smear Wire. GIF searches are obviously going to use a 3rd party service, and nobody should expect some kind of anonymous encrypted channel for GIF searches. That's ridiculous. I've not seen any lying about being open source. They haven't released every piece of code, but I don't recall them ever claiming they did. https://github.com/wireapp https://github.com/wireapp I've never seen any crypto experts who have audited Wire and said there's anything wrong with their choices, and you supplied no links. Between all the options, including Signal, I personally think Wire is best, and nothing you've provided has any reason to change that.
- zedred 10y ago> GIF searches are obviously going to use a 3rd party service, and nobody should expect some kind of anonymous encrypted channel for GIF searches. That's ridiculous. GIF searches aren't being transmitted to a third party service, they're being transmitted directly to Wire in plaintext: https://github.com/wireapp/wire-android-sync-engine/blob/4d53351e8a60fb30d933068a25cfafc0cc2f0f8c/zmessaging/src/main/scala/com/waz/sync/client/GiphyClient.scala#L69 https://github.com/wireapp/wire-android-sync-engine/blob/4d5... There's tons of stuff like that which leaks in the app. They store your entire contact list server-side, your plaintext group membership, group info like plaintext group name and plaintext group avatar, etc etc. > I've not seen any lying about being open source. They haven't released every piece of code, but I don't recall them ever claiming they did. Since their launch several years ago, they've had a "feature" matrix on their website that lists Wire as being open source (and their competitors as not being open source). That was long before their recent "open source" announcement (which still isn't even fully open source). When pressed, they said it was because they used some open source libraries. That's really shady. > I've never seen any crypto experts who have audited Wire and said there's anything wrong with their choices, and you supplied no links. Here's one example I saw recently: https://www.cs.jhu.edu/~cwright/oakland08.pdf https://www.cs.jhu.edu/~cwright/oakland08.pdf They're vulnerable: https://github.com/wireapp/wire-audio-video-signaling/blob/ca718494c3091a82ebbb2d4e401f550b268dacec/src/flowmgr/userflow.c#L229 https://github.com/wireapp/wire-audio-video-signaling/blob/c... Even worse, they also apparently include plaintext RTP headers with audio level information in them.