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Or you could download https://wire.com/ https://wire.com/ which allows developers to build their own clients and still use their infrastructure. Also, it doesn

Or you could download https://wire.com/ https://wire.com/ which allows developers to build their own clients and still use their infrastructure. Also, it doesn't force you to use a phone number for registration. It supports audio/video calls. Also, if you're really privacy minded, it doesn't need Google Play Services. That way it can be used in CopperheadOS.

reacharavindh 10y ago
Do you know how Wire makes money to sustain what they are doing? Don't want to invest my time into something that will eventually sell out and do that opposite of what they stand for today.
- walterbell 10y ago
  On Twitter, they said they plan to sell premium features. They are currently funded by a founder of Skype.
- bluesign 10y ago
  Last time i checked they have no revenue possibility. So I decided to skip, I am curious on this too
  - unicornporn 10y ago
    There's quite an interesting discussion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/57n8ee/instant_messaging_comparison_table/d8uj3bn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/57n8ee/inst... As I see it, there's some sort of trade off for all solutions for private instant messaging right now. Wire comes close to a good solution. The biggest problem for me is that the official Android client is quite buggy, UI wise...
    - Siimteller 10y ago
      Fair enough critique on Android bugs, we're fixing them at a steady pace. But if you know any good Scala developers in Berlin / interested in moving to Berlin then we're hiring https://wire.com/jobs https://wire.com/jobs
- at612 10y ago
  > Don't want to invest my time into something that will eventually sell out And what do you think the gentleman behind Signal is out there for? His modus operandi: * Start a company, call it something catchy, like Whisper Systems. * Get media coverage and some users. * Sell to Twitter * Start a company, call it something catchy, like Open Whisper Systems. * Get media coverage and some users. * ... Start to see a pattern? :-)
- Siimteller 10y ago
  Rolling out paid stuff next year. As someone said - VC funded so have had the luxury to focus on building a great app, see if people find value in it. This has been true, lots of interest form B2B world from groups, teams, organizations where privacy and security important.
lima 10y ago
It doesn't have the scrutiny regarding cryptography and implementation that Signal has had.
- m3ta 10y ago
  They claim to have secure end-to-end encryption. In fact, I would say using wire.com is better than Signal because Signal does not make any guarantee of anonymity. With the wire desktop app you can take steps to anonymize your connection to their server, although on a mobile device it's probably roughly equivalent to Signal. Also, here is a handy chart that compares the differences between these two services (and other similar competitors). https://wire.com/privacy/ https://wire.com/privacy/
  - zedred 10y ago
    You're promoting Wire for anonymity? Check out their privacy policy, Wire maintains a server side copy of your entire contact list, all the groups that you're in, the plaintext metadata for your groups (membership, plaintext group title, plaintext group avatar), etc etc. They have broken voice encryption, and leak enough data to reconstruct the audio of your calls. They leak tons of plaintext directly back to themselves, like GIF searches, and rolled their own messaging crypto that experts say is broken. They have been caught lying about what kind of encryption they provide, they lied about being open source for years, they lied about being based in switzerland. From what I can tell, the only people promoting Wire after all that are usually on Wire's marketing team.
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    - hackuser 10y ago
      Could you provide something that backs up these claims?
      - mei0Iesh 10y ago
        They did in another comment on this page. I do not see any evidence that worries me. Perhaps if you're a famous terrorist, you won't want to use it, because your GIF searches might expose your evil plans. But I only needed a way to talk to family and friends that was more private than Facebook and Google, while not sacrificing features and usability. I think Wire has done an excellent job. I've not found anything else that checks all the boxes.

reacharavindh 10y ago

Do you know how Wire makes money to sustain what they are doing? Don't want to invest my time into something that will eventually sell out and do that opposite of what they stand for today.

walterbell 10y ago
On Twitter, they said they plan to sell premium features. They are currently funded by a founder of Skype.
bluesign 10y ago
Last time i checked they have no revenue possibility. So I decided to skip, I am curious on this too
- unicornporn 10y ago
  There's quite an interesting discussion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/57n8ee/instant_messaging_comparison_table/d8uj3bn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/57n8ee/inst... As I see it, there's some sort of trade off for all solutions for private instant messaging right now. Wire comes close to a good solution. The biggest problem for me is that the official Android client is quite buggy, UI wise...
  - Siimteller 10y ago
    Fair enough critique on Android bugs, we're fixing them at a steady pace. But if you know any good Scala developers in Berlin / interested in moving to Berlin then we're hiring https://wire.com/jobs https://wire.com/jobs
at612 10y ago
> Don't want to invest my time into something that will eventually sell out And what do you think the gentleman behind Signal is out there for? His modus operandi: * Start a company, call it something catchy, like Whisper Systems. * Get media coverage and some users. * Sell to Twitter * Start a company, call it something catchy, like Open Whisper Systems. * Get media coverage and some users. * ... Start to see a pattern? :-)
Siimteller 10y ago
Rolling out paid stuff next year. As someone said - VC funded so have had the luxury to focus on building a great app, see if people find value in it. This has been true, lots of interest form B2B world from groups, teams, organizations where privacy and security important.

lima 10y ago

It doesn't have the scrutiny regarding cryptography and implementation that Signal has had.

m3ta 10y ago
They claim to have secure end-to-end encryption. In fact, I would say using wire.com is better than Signal because Signal does not make any guarantee of anonymity. With the wire desktop app you can take steps to anonymize your connection to their server, although on a mobile device it's probably roughly equivalent to Signal. Also, here is a handy chart that compares the differences between these two services (and other similar competitors). https://wire.com/privacy/ https://wire.com/privacy/
- zedred 10y ago
  You're promoting Wire for anonymity? Check out their privacy policy, Wire maintains a server side copy of your entire contact list, all the groups that you're in, the plaintext metadata for your groups (membership, plaintext group title, plaintext group avatar), etc etc. They have broken voice encryption, and leak enough data to reconstruct the audio of your calls. They leak tons of plaintext directly back to themselves, like GIF searches, and rolled their own messaging crypto that experts say is broken. They have been caught lying about what kind of encryption they provide, they lied about being open source for years, they lied about being based in switzerland. From what I can tell, the only people promoting Wire after all that are usually on Wire's marketing team.
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  - hackuser 10y ago
    Could you provide something that backs up these claims?
    - mei0Iesh 10y ago
      They did in another comment on this page. I do not see any evidence that worries me. Perhaps if you're a famous terrorist, you won't want to use it, because your GIF searches might expose your evil plans. But I only needed a way to talk to family and friends that was more private than Facebook and Google, while not sacrificing features and usability. I think Wire has done an excellent job. I've not found anything else that checks all the boxes.