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From the end user POV it's a shitty thing to do, but most likely this stems from the developer making a deal with Intel. It takes a lot of resources and effort

by Mahn 10y ago

From the end user POV it's a shitty thing to do, but most likely this stems from the developer making a deal with Intel. It takes a lot of resources and effort to deliver VR games with the quality and length that PC gamers have to come to expect, and the VR market is still tiny; at the end of the day you can't really blame VR developers for taking deals left and right, because it's the only way to subsidize development. If every time something like this happens there's an internet outrage, what's gonna happen is that no one will subsidize shit (because why would you pay a developer if exclusivity or exclusive features are not on the table?), VR content development will stall as there won't be incentive for developers to spend months/years of work only to barely break even (if they get lucky), VR adoption will not go on, etc. Something's gotta give, VR gamers need to cut developers some slack if VR is to flourish in the future, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

subway 10y ago
More and more, the 'exclusive' feature I want in any product is for it to do what it says on the goddamn tin. Alas that's a feature few care to provide.
nkrisc 10y ago
That's fine and all but they should let consumers know before they buy it. There's nothing inherently wrong with exclusivities if it's made abundantly clear ahead of purchase. It's wrong for consumers to discover they can't play parts of the game they bought because they're on the wrong side of an arbitrary business agreement.
- kevinwang 10y ago
  well, to be fair, from the dev's phrasing it seems like these are EXTRA modes which weren't even advertised, so customers were not under the impression that they would be able to play these. If this is true, then honestly I think the customer outrage is a little excessive and entitled. If they didn't have i7s, then they got exactly what they paid and expected. If they did have i7s, then because of Intel's funding, they got more than they paid for. Yeah, it's still kind of weird and just doesn't seem like a good business practice, but if this is true, then this outrage seems a little overly entitled. Of course, if these modes were originally known, and everyone expected that they could play these modes, then this thing is indefensibly scummy.
  - nkrisc 10y ago
    That could be the case, it was hard for me to tell. Nonetheless it seems like a bad practice regardless: Person A with an i7 buys the game. Talks about the great features to Person B. Person B, with an i5, decides to buy to the game but can't find the features. What happened? Neither person has any idea.
kofejnik 10y ago
Yes, this is due to Intel participation. From their post on Steam forum: ====================== Vertigo Games [developer] 17 hours ago Single Player Horde Mode & Apocalyptic Mode These are two game modes that we have not focused on previously. Working with Intel allowed us to create even more content than we originally planned, including these modes and the physics systems in the game, making Arizona Sunshine one of the richest VR experiences possible. We want to give 5th, 6th and 7th gen Intel® Core™ i7 owners first glimpse into these additional modes, but they’ll be available March 6, 2017 to everyone who owns the game. Single Player Horde Mode is as you would expect, a single player experience in Horde Mode. Apocalyptic Mode is the highest level of difficulty in the campaign. Its features include: • Only one weapon (handgun) • Very limited ammo • No checkpoints - you die and go back to the start of the game • One hit death Completing this is tied to an achievement that will result in an award of a golden desert eagle pistol for use in multiplayer and future apocalyptic sessions. The gun will be added in a future update.
- astrodust 10y ago
  If you splurge and get a nice Xeon chip for your system guess you're likewise screwed. "Sorry, you spent too much money on your Intel® powered VR system."
  - EpicEng 10y ago
    A xeon would be a poor choice for a gaming rig. More money for lower clock speed. Edit: you guys can't seriously believe that a xeon is a good gaming CPU...
    - astrodust 10y ago
      For those that do a lot of heavy 3D where you need cores, cores and more cores Xeon is a lot more cost effective than paying a crazy premium on 6 or 8 core i7 chips.

by Mahn 10y ago

subway 10y ago

More and more, the 'exclusive' feature I want in any product is for it to do what it says on the goddamn tin. Alas that's a feature few care to provide.

nkrisc 10y ago

That's fine and all but they should let consumers know before they buy it. There's nothing inherently wrong with exclusivities if it's made abundantly clear ahead of purchase. It's wrong for consumers to discover they can't play parts of the game they bought because they're on the wrong side of an arbitrary business agreement.

kevinwang 10y ago
well, to be fair, from the dev's phrasing it seems like these are EXTRA modes which weren't even advertised, so customers were not under the impression that they would be able to play these. If this is true, then honestly I think the customer outrage is a little excessive and entitled. If they didn't have i7s, then they got exactly what they paid and expected. If they did have i7s, then because of Intel's funding, they got more than they paid for. Yeah, it's still kind of weird and just doesn't seem like a good business practice, but if this is true, then this outrage seems a little overly entitled. Of course, if these modes were originally known, and everyone expected that they could play these modes, then this thing is indefensibly scummy.
- nkrisc 10y ago
  That could be the case, it was hard for me to tell. Nonetheless it seems like a bad practice regardless: Person A with an i7 buys the game. Talks about the great features to Person B. Person B, with an i5, decides to buy to the game but can't find the features. What happened? Neither person has any idea.

kofejnik 10y ago

Yes, this is due to Intel participation. From their post on Steam forum: ====================== Vertigo Games [developer] 17 hours ago Single Player Horde Mode & Apocalyptic Mode These are two game modes that we have not focused on previously. Working with Intel allowed us to create even more content than we originally planned, including these modes and the physics systems in the game, making Arizona Sunshine one of the richest VR experiences possible. We want to give 5th, 6th and 7th gen Intel® Core™ i7 owners first glimpse into these additional modes, but they’ll be available March 6, 2017 to everyone who owns the game. Single Player Horde Mode is as you would expect, a single player experience in Horde Mode. Apocalyptic Mode is the highest level of difficulty in the campaign. Its features include: • Only one weapon (handgun) • Very limited ammo • No checkpoints - you die and go back to the start of the game • One hit death Completing this is tied to an achievement that will result in an award of a golden desert eagle pistol for use in multiplayer and future apocalyptic sessions. The gun will be added in a future update.

astrodust 10y ago
If you splurge and get a nice Xeon chip for your system guess you're likewise screwed. "Sorry, you spent too much money on your Intel® powered VR system."
- EpicEng 10y ago
  A xeon would be a poor choice for a gaming rig. More money for lower clock speed. Edit: you guys can't seriously believe that a xeon is a good gaming CPU...
  - astrodust 10y ago
    For those that do a lot of heavy 3D where you need cores, cores and more cores Xeon is a lot more cost effective than paying a crazy premium on 6 or 8 core i7 chips.