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The lack of tabs didn't surprise me, but the way the iPad OS poorly handled memory management did.

jodrellblank 16y ago
That's not poorly handled memory management, it's good handling. Poorly handled would be to give you an out of memory error, or make the other pages disappear completely as if you'd never opened them at all.
- g0atbutt 16y ago
  I would have to disagree. My Droid also has 256 mb of memory, and I can have more pages open at once without it having to flush pages. This is still true with Pandora running in the background. Overall I'm a fan of the iPad, it just falls short in this area.
  - jacquesm 16y ago
    What is the screen resolution of the droid? What is the screen resolution of the ipad? If there is a big difference then it may be because the software keeps bitmaps of rendered screens laying around for a quick switch.
    - MWinther 16y ago
      The same thing is pretty much true on the iPhone as well. In theory, it keeps pages in memory, but in my experience it reloads the page way more often than I would prefer. It is definitely on my wish list for future Safari updates, once they have consolidated the iPhone OS to have the same version on both devices.
  - jodrellblank 16y ago
    To make it a fair test - were they the same pages? iPhone at least does this same thing - but it does not reload every switch, only sometimes. For all I know the iPad may do that so it can shut down memory chips and save the power of refreshing them. Just because it doesn't do exactly what you wand doesn't mean it's handled badly - it still does what it does gracefully and without errors or slowdowns. It does after all not claim to be able to hold pages open indefinitely; and you could have saved them to some ereader app for future Reading. Misuse ipad -> doesn't do what you want, is hardly a 'dirty secret'
    - nooneelse 16y ago
      Wow, that is some truly masterful backing away from the "the best web browsing experience you’ve ever had" claim without appearing to notice doing it. Humpty Dumpty skill level, at least, the word "best" means just what you want it to.
      - jodrellblank 16y ago
        I've never said it's the best experience, or offered my support to that claim. What position, that I used to hold, am I backing away from?
        nooneelse 16y ago
        Perhaps I misread the dialectic somehow. I was taking the point back to the thesis of the article (that Jobs was quite wrong in his characterization of best browsing ever), a thesis which g0atbutt was supplying support for. Support which you seemed to be trying to counter or undermine in you comment with things like "Just because it doesn't do exactly what you want doesn't mean it's handled badly - it still does what it does gracefully and without errors or slowdowns" and "It does after all not claim to be able to hold pages open indefinitely...". As you were countering the support being given for the thesis, I took it that you were attacking the article's thesis (thus defending Jobs' characterization). But then your comment moved the goal for what constituted "best" so far that it functionally proved the thesis of the article. I apologize that I was overly eager to point this oddness out and did so badly.

That's not poorly handled memory management, it's good handling. Poorly handled would be to give you an out of memory error, or make the other pages disappear completely as if you'd never opened them at all.

g0atbutt 16y ago
I would have to disagree. My Droid also has 256 mb of memory, and I can have more pages open at once without it having to flush pages. This is still true with Pandora running in the background. Overall I'm a fan of the iPad, it just falls short in this area.
- jacquesm 16y ago
  What is the screen resolution of the droid? What is the screen resolution of the ipad? If there is a big difference then it may be because the software keeps bitmaps of rendered screens laying around for a quick switch.
  - MWinther 16y ago
    The same thing is pretty much true on the iPhone as well. In theory, it keeps pages in memory, but in my experience it reloads the page way more often than I would prefer. It is definitely on my wish list for future Safari updates, once they have consolidated the iPhone OS to have the same version on both devices.
- jodrellblank 16y ago
  To make it a fair test - were they the same pages? iPhone at least does this same thing - but it does not reload every switch, only sometimes. For all I know the iPad may do that so it can shut down memory chips and save the power of refreshing them. Just because it doesn't do exactly what you wand doesn't mean it's handled badly - it still does what it does gracefully and without errors or slowdowns. It does after all not claim to be able to hold pages open indefinitely; and you could have saved them to some ereader app for future Reading. Misuse ipad -> doesn't do what you want, is hardly a 'dirty secret'
  - nooneelse 16y ago
    Wow, that is some truly masterful backing away from the "the best web browsing experience you’ve ever had" claim without appearing to notice doing it. Humpty Dumpty skill level, at least, the word "best" means just what you want it to.
    - jodrellblank 16y ago
      I've never said it's the best experience, or offered my support to that claim. What position, that I used to hold, am I backing away from?
      - nooneelse 16y ago
        Perhaps I misread the dialectic somehow. I was taking the point back to the thesis of the article (that Jobs was quite wrong in his characterization of best browsing ever), a thesis which g0atbutt was supplying support for. Support which you seemed to be trying to counter or undermine in you comment with things like "Just because it doesn't do exactly what you want doesn't mean it's handled badly - it still does what it does gracefully and without errors or slowdowns" and "It does after all not claim to be able to hold pages open indefinitely...". As you were countering the support being given for the thesis, I took it that you were attacking the article's thesis (thus defending Jobs' characterization). But then your comment moved the goal for what constituted "best" so far that it functionally proved the thesis of the article. I apologize that I was overly eager to point this oddness out and did so badly.