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That is a completely disingenuous take on what was stated. The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive m

That is a completely disingenuous take on what was stated. The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner, which is obviously not what it is designed for. Other subreddits use the mod tool in various ways that don't have anything to do with the explicit purpose of stickied posts, which I pointed out, but notice I didn't label that as abuse.

rfrank 10y ago
> The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner I don't think that's true, I think you just don't like the content.
- justinlaster 10y ago
  The admins and a sizable portion, if not the majority, of reddit think it's true. It's also odd that you seem to forget that the content in question was specifically and continually addressed to the rest of the community in an often aggressive manner. Hardly any active and constructive discussion, political or otherwise, took place on those threads. Indeed it's hard for that to ever happen when your mods immediately ban anyone who doesn't fit a certain mold. Notice that after the tool was limited, the frequency at which posts show up on the front page was severely decreased. The posts were not being upvoted because of the content, they were being upvoted specifically to get the thread to the front page and often with no constructive purpose.
  - rfrank 10y ago
    Yes, and that's why they make rules that only impact the_donald, which in turn encourages the_donald to lash out. Because they are being singled out for censorship. I think you've got a pretty selective memory of sticked threads in the_donald, but whatever. Should they be nice to a community that consistently calls it the_dipshit, etc, and whose administrators continually make changes to limit the reach of their voice, and their voice alone? The sticky change came in conjunction with limiting the number of posts it was possible to have on the front page, and a few others. Saying the change to sticky policy is what's keeping the_donald posts off the front page of /r/all would be incorrect.
    - justinlaster 10y ago
      You can stop being dishonest at anytime now. Your timeline is backwards. They were not singled out for "censorship" before their abuse. That doesn't even make sense. Again, please notice the immediate effect of having the tool taken away from the mods. Hardly anything is organically upvoted from that subreddit anymore. >Should they be nice to a community that consistently calls it the_dipshit Why are you going to purposefully ignore why they have that reputation? This is like having a guy in the group that continually does annoying or obnoxious things, gets told off and then tells everyone else to "chill." >the number of posts it was possible to have on the front page, and a few others. Which was global. >Saying the change to sticky policy is what's keeping the_donald posts off the front page of /r/all would be incorrect. Except it is not. They do not reach top spots on /r/all anymore. We're talking about single posts, not the number of posts, but they don't reach as high as they used to.
      - rfrank 10y ago
        You can stop being dishonest anytime now. You have a limited perspective. They had to make several internal rule changes specific to them (which they enforce) before any site wide changes happened. They get brigaded and attacked just like any other major political sub, but only they have unique rules made for them. Why are you purposefully ignoring why they act that way? It's like having a guy in the group who thinks it's acceptable to push people around because they have a majority opinion, and double down when people don't accept it. They had several posts at the top of /r/all yesterday [1-4], but I guess they don't go as high. 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gvy1j/the_new_algorithm_was_designed_to_keep_president/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gvy1j/the_new_... 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gwnwx/reddit_voting_algorithm_has_changed_will_this/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gwnwx/reddit_v... 3. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gvazb/boom_trump_announces_sprint_agreement_to_invest/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gvazb/boom_tru... 4. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gwe8n/posted_this_to_rgentlemanboners_it_was_down_voted/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gwe8n/posted_t...
        10y ago
  - koolba 10y ago
    > Indeed it's hard for that to ever happen when your mods immediately ban anyone who doesn't fit a certain mold. That statement is false. Nobody is banned from that subreddit for being of a "certain mold". The rules for the subreddit are on the sidebar and they only ban users who speak ill of their candidate of choice. The same is true on the /r/SandersForPresident and /r/HillaryClinton. If you went on either of those and insulted Sanders, Clinton, or their supporters, you'd get banned on there as well. I'd argue the anti-Trump subreddits are demonstrably worse. They ban people who have never even posted in them because they've posted on /r/The_Donald.
    - justinlaster 10y ago
      I was banned without ever having ventured there, and then proceeded to be called a "faggot cuck" (presumably because of my posts to /r/gaybros) by the moderator. So it most certainly is not false. There are many others who echo this scenario across reddit. >If you went on either of those and insulted Sanders, Clinton, or their supporters, you'd get banned on there as well. Funny, I was not very kind towards Clinton. Still can post in /r/HillaryClinton. >I'd argue the anti-Trump subreddits are demonstrably worse. You can certainly argue that, the problem is having some kind of substantive evidence to base this claim on.
      - koolba 10y ago
        > I was banned without ever having ventured there, and then proceeded to be called a "faggot cuck" (presumably because of my posts to /r/gaybros) by the moderator. So it most certainly is not false. There are many others who echo this scenario across reddit. Perhaps a rogue moderator did this but AFAIK it's not the policy of the sub as a whole. I'd suggest messaging them (the moderator list) if you'd want to get unbanned. > Funny, I was not very kind towards Clinton. Still can post in /r/HillaryClinton. Then you must be an outlier. Forget insulting her personally, I know of people that were banned for being Democrats that disagreed with her specific policy positions. I'm not even arguing that's against any rule. Each subreddit is free to come up with there own rules for what content is acceptable. What I take issue with is preemptive banning. At best it forces people to live a digital double life with multiple personas. If you're following the local rules then there's no reason they should be banning you for opinions you've expressed elsewhere. > You can certainly argue that, the problem is having some kind of substantive evidence to base this claim on. Create a dummy account, post a hello to /r/The_Donald and them see what happens. It's definitely real and goes well beyond the purely anti-Trump subreddits. You'll get banned from entirely unrelated non-political subreddits as well. The funny thing is you won't realize it until you go to them and try to reply to a post.

rfrank 10y ago

> The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner I don't think that's true, I think you just don't like the content.

justinlaster 10y ago
The admins and a sizable portion, if not the majority, of reddit think it's true. It's also odd that you seem to forget that the content in question was specifically and continually addressed to the rest of the community in an often aggressive manner. Hardly any active and constructive discussion, political or otherwise, took place on those threads. Indeed it's hard for that to ever happen when your mods immediately ban anyone who doesn't fit a certain mold. Notice that after the tool was limited, the frequency at which posts show up on the front page was severely decreased. The posts were not being upvoted because of the content, they were being upvoted specifically to get the thread to the front page and often with no constructive purpose.
- rfrank 10y ago
  Yes, and that's why they make rules that only impact the_donald, which in turn encourages the_donald to lash out. Because they are being singled out for censorship. I think you've got a pretty selective memory of sticked threads in the_donald, but whatever. Should they be nice to a community that consistently calls it the_dipshit, etc, and whose administrators continually make changes to limit the reach of their voice, and their voice alone? The sticky change came in conjunction with limiting the number of posts it was possible to have on the front page, and a few others. Saying the change to sticky policy is what's keeping the_donald posts off the front page of /r/all would be incorrect.
  - justinlaster 10y ago
    You can stop being dishonest at anytime now. Your timeline is backwards. They were not singled out for "censorship" before their abuse. That doesn't even make sense. Again, please notice the immediate effect of having the tool taken away from the mods. Hardly anything is organically upvoted from that subreddit anymore. >Should they be nice to a community that consistently calls it the_dipshit Why are you going to purposefully ignore why they have that reputation? This is like having a guy in the group that continually does annoying or obnoxious things, gets told off and then tells everyone else to "chill." >the number of posts it was possible to have on the front page, and a few others. Which was global. >Saying the change to sticky policy is what's keeping the_donald posts off the front page of /r/all would be incorrect. Except it is not. They do not reach top spots on /r/all anymore. We're talking about single posts, not the number of posts, but they don't reach as high as they used to.
    - rfrank 10y ago
      You can stop being dishonest anytime now. You have a limited perspective. They had to make several internal rule changes specific to them (which they enforce) before any site wide changes happened. They get brigaded and attacked just like any other major political sub, but only they have unique rules made for them. Why are you purposefully ignoring why they act that way? It's like having a guy in the group who thinks it's acceptable to push people around because they have a majority opinion, and double down when people don't accept it. They had several posts at the top of /r/all yesterday [1-4], but I guess they don't go as high. 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gvy1j/the_new_algorithm_was_designed_to_keep_president/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gvy1j/the_new_... 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gwnwx/reddit_voting_algorithm_has_changed_will_this/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gwnwx/reddit_v... 3. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gvazb/boom_trump_announces_sprint_agreement_to_invest/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gvazb/boom_tru... 4. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gwe8n/posted_this_to_rgentlemanboners_it_was_down_voted/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5gwe8n/posted_t...
      - 10y ago
- koolba 10y ago
  > Indeed it's hard for that to ever happen when your mods immediately ban anyone who doesn't fit a certain mold. That statement is false. Nobody is banned from that subreddit for being of a "certain mold". The rules for the subreddit are on the sidebar and they only ban users who speak ill of their candidate of choice. The same is true on the /r/SandersForPresident and /r/HillaryClinton. If you went on either of those and insulted Sanders, Clinton, or their supporters, you'd get banned on there as well. I'd argue the anti-Trump subreddits are demonstrably worse. They ban people who have never even posted in them because they've posted on /r/The_Donald.
  - justinlaster 10y ago
    I was banned without ever having ventured there, and then proceeded to be called a "faggot cuck" (presumably because of my posts to /r/gaybros) by the moderator. So it most certainly is not false. There are many others who echo this scenario across reddit. >If you went on either of those and insulted Sanders, Clinton, or their supporters, you'd get banned on there as well. Funny, I was not very kind towards Clinton. Still can post in /r/HillaryClinton. >I'd argue the anti-Trump subreddits are demonstrably worse. You can certainly argue that, the problem is having some kind of substantive evidence to base this claim on.
    - koolba 10y ago
      > I was banned without ever having ventured there, and then proceeded to be called a "faggot cuck" (presumably because of my posts to /r/gaybros) by the moderator. So it most certainly is not false. There are many others who echo this scenario across reddit. Perhaps a rogue moderator did this but AFAIK it's not the policy of the sub as a whole. I'd suggest messaging them (the moderator list) if you'd want to get unbanned. > Funny, I was not very kind towards Clinton. Still can post in /r/HillaryClinton. Then you must be an outlier. Forget insulting her personally, I know of people that were banned for being Democrats that disagreed with her specific policy positions. I'm not even arguing that's against any rule. Each subreddit is free to come up with there own rules for what content is acceptable. What I take issue with is preemptive banning. At best it forces people to live a digital double life with multiple personas. If you're following the local rules then there's no reason they should be banning you for opinions you've expressed elsewhere. > You can certainly argue that, the problem is having some kind of substantive evidence to base this claim on. Create a dummy account, post a hello to /r/The_Donald and them see what happens. It's definitely real and goes well beyond the purely anti-Trump subreddits. You'll get banned from entirely unrelated non-political subreddits as well. The funny thing is you won't realize it until you go to them and try to reply to a post.