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Ubuntu 10.04 - Perfect

12 points by macco 17y ago

vilya 17y ago
Perfect? I wonder if the author tried installing it on a MacBook Pro. WiFi won't work without the proprietary BroadComm drivers. But jockey (the program which detects which drivers you need and installs them for you) won't work without an internet connection. So if you don't have a usable ethernet connection handy, you're a bit stuck. It's possible to install the drivers manually, but it's a pretty convoluted process (which still involves downloading things - go figure). I've not yet had any luck with it. The irony is that it clearly has the drivers somewhere in the .iso, because when you run it in LiveCD mode it's able to install them, no internet connection required. Overall it felt like a trip back to the bad old days of linux, where you had to spend a week editing config files before you got a usable system Not what I'd call perfect.
- Zak 17y ago
  I'd like to have working suspend/resume on my Thinkpad while using Compiz and the FireGL. I'm going to blame this one on ATI, rather than anything under Ubuntu's control, but it's still short of perfect.
  - Estragon 17y ago
    I have a Lenovo T61. There is no suspend option in the power management menu, but from the command line, pm-suspend-hibernate seems to do the right thing.
    - Zak 17y ago
      What video card does it have? The problem I'm having is specific to ATI's proprietary driver when used together with Compiz.
devonrt 17y ago
Calling 10.04 perfect is a real, long stretch. Even the authors own description of 10.04 hardly amounts to "perfect." Its cosmetic changes are, in my opinion, dubious at best. Window controls are on the left hand side of the Window for no good reason. The color scheme is way too dark, it made me long for the old human theme. UI elements are glitchy in places. The "Me Menu" is useless to me. And why the heck did they ever remove the startup/shutdown options from the system menu? Why are they off on their own? I like the idea of the Ubuntu Software Center but its execution leaves a lot to be desired. Last time I checked it was just another front end to apt. Many of the packages available are totally useless to the vast majority of people. Ubuntu One and the Ubuntu Music store, well, we'll see how those go. Personally, I've never, ever used them and I have to wonder if they're the type of things that will actually draw people to Ubuntu And, well, I hate to come off as a curmudgeon because I really do like Ubuntu, but to say that 10.04 blows OSX and Windows 7 out of the water is just wrong. It doesn't. For instance, why does Ubuntu still have the same old application menu? Both OSX and Windows 7 (and even KDE4) have moved away from this model. The categorized, hierarchical menus that have been around forever are really unhelpful. Why can't I search this menu like in Windows 7 and KDE4? For that matter, why can't I easily search everything like I can in Windows 7 and OSX (spotlight). If they really want to compete with Windows or OSX they need to give me better ways to find, sort and organize everything on my computer.
- GiraffeNecktie 17y ago
  Shutdown does belong on it's own. It's something most users will use all the time, unlike the rest of the system menu stuff. It's weird that it's on the right though, since they put the window close button on the left. To me, that's fundamentally inconsistent. Then there's my Chrome browser which stubbornly maintains the window controls on the right. No I wouldn't say it's perfect, but I do find it very clean and elegant. It certainly holds its own with Windows 7 and Mac OS.
- aw3c2 17y ago
  I used it for a bit and I have to say that I like the window controls on the left. For me the mouse pointer usually hovers in the left side of my screen so they are closer to it = require less mouse movement.
jackowayed 17y ago
It's perfect just like every Ubuntu release in the last 2 years has been.
- hackermom 17y ago
  Meaning it's not perfect?
  - jackowayed 17y ago
    Yes. Every time a new Ubuntu release comes out, it's finally the one that has fixed everything wrong with Linux! It's only a matter of time before Linux has a 50% market share of desktops thanks to this release! And then market share basically stays flat. But don't worry, there'll be another perfect release in 6 months :)
    - grandalf 17y ago
      the bar is continually being raised by other OSs all the time, so the definition of perfect changes. Try using windows 2000 or MacOS 8.55 and see if you don't prefer Ubuntu tremendously. Then ask yourself what has changed about Windows and MacOS in the last ten years.
- jpr 17y ago
  2011 will be the year of the Linux on the desktop.
sailormoon 17y ago
As of this very moment, MacOS X 10.6 and Windows 7. Neither of them ship with a video editor of any kind out of the box. That’s right. Of the three operating systems, Ubuntu is the only one that ships with any video editor at all. Huh? My iMac shipped with iMovie, and Windows ships with Windows Movie Maker. update: whaddyaknow, windows 7 doesn't actually ship with the movie software, you have to download it (free) from http://download.live.com/moviemaker http://download.live.com/moviemaker. Still.
- ZeroGravitas 17y ago
  Technically your iMac came with that iLife software preloaded, it didn't come with the OS. If you had an older iMac and bought an upgrade for the OS then you'd have to buy the upgrades for iLife separately. (You almost always got a game too, again that wouldn't be there if you bought the OS itself).
  - sailormoon 17y ago
    What you say is true, but it's splitting hairs really. The fact is that unless actively deleted, every mac has video editing software installed from the day it was delivered. Still, I have to concede that although it is present, it was not actually shipped with the OS. It's a pretty lame boast that has to be laden with so many caveats, though.
lwhi 17y ago
I had huge problems with my proprietary nvidia driver and the new nouveau drivers (which replaced nv). Because of this, the experience of upgrading was very painful. It's fine now - but, on the surface, there really isn't much difference to karmic.
frou_dh 17y ago
Not saying I could do any better, but all things visual just can't seem to shake a decidedly amateur quality level. Perhaps an empty desktop looks good, apart from the Firefox icon scraping the top pixel of the screen, but open a few applications... http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9595/fffb.png http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9595/fffb.png
ApolloRising 17y ago
The release is quite nice but not perfect - still can't rotate the monitors 90 degrees for vertical alignment unless you go in and manually edit the files instead of the gui

12 points by macco 17y ago

vilya 17y ago

Perfect? I wonder if the author tried installing it on a MacBook Pro. WiFi won't work without the proprietary BroadComm drivers. But jockey (the program which detects which drivers you need and installs them for you) won't work without an internet connection. So if you don't have a usable ethernet connection handy, you're a bit stuck. It's possible to install the drivers manually, but it's a pretty convoluted process (which still involves downloading things - go figure). I've not yet had any luck with it. The irony is that it clearly has the drivers somewhere in the .iso, because when you run it in LiveCD mode it's able to install them, no internet connection required. Overall it felt like a trip back to the bad old days of linux, where you had to spend a week editing config files before you got a usable system Not what I'd call perfect.

Zak 17y ago
I'd like to have working suspend/resume on my Thinkpad while using Compiz and the FireGL. I'm going to blame this one on ATI, rather than anything under Ubuntu's control, but it's still short of perfect.
- Estragon 17y ago
  I have a Lenovo T61. There is no suspend option in the power management menu, but from the command line, pm-suspend-hibernate seems to do the right thing.
  - Zak 17y ago
    What video card does it have? The problem I'm having is specific to ATI's proprietary driver when used together with Compiz.

devonrt 17y ago

Calling 10.04 perfect is a real, long stretch. Even the authors own description of 10.04 hardly amounts to "perfect." Its cosmetic changes are, in my opinion, dubious at best. Window controls are on the left hand side of the Window for no good reason. The color scheme is way too dark, it made me long for the old human theme. UI elements are glitchy in places. The "Me Menu" is useless to me. And why the heck did they ever remove the startup/shutdown options from the system menu? Why are they off on their own? I like the idea of the Ubuntu Software Center but its execution leaves a lot to be desired. Last time I checked it was just another front end to apt. Many of the packages available are totally useless to the vast majority of people. Ubuntu One and the Ubuntu Music store, well, we'll see how those go. Personally, I've never, ever used them and I have to wonder if they're the type of things that will actually draw people to Ubuntu And, well, I hate to come off as a curmudgeon because I really do like Ubuntu, but to say that 10.04 blows OSX and Windows 7 out of the water is just wrong. It doesn't. For instance, why does Ubuntu still have the same old application menu? Both OSX and Windows 7 (and even KDE4) have moved away from this model. The categorized, hierarchical menus that have been around forever are really unhelpful. Why can't I search this menu like in Windows 7 and KDE4? For that matter, why can't I easily search everything like I can in Windows 7 and OSX (spotlight). If they really want to compete with Windows or OSX they need to give me better ways to find, sort and organize everything on my computer.

GiraffeNecktie 17y ago
Shutdown does belong on it's own. It's something most users will use all the time, unlike the rest of the system menu stuff. It's weird that it's on the right though, since they put the window close button on the left. To me, that's fundamentally inconsistent. Then there's my Chrome browser which stubbornly maintains the window controls on the right. No I wouldn't say it's perfect, but I do find it very clean and elegant. It certainly holds its own with Windows 7 and Mac OS.
aw3c2 17y ago
I used it for a bit and I have to say that I like the window controls on the left. For me the mouse pointer usually hovers in the left side of my screen so they are closer to it = require less mouse movement.

jackowayed 17y ago

It's perfect just like every Ubuntu release in the last 2 years has been.

hackermom 17y ago
Meaning it's not perfect?
- jackowayed 17y ago
  Yes. Every time a new Ubuntu release comes out, it's finally the one that has fixed everything wrong with Linux! It's only a matter of time before Linux has a 50% market share of desktops thanks to this release! And then market share basically stays flat. But don't worry, there'll be another perfect release in 6 months :)
  - grandalf 17y ago
    the bar is continually being raised by other OSs all the time, so the definition of perfect changes. Try using windows 2000 or MacOS 8.55 and see if you don't prefer Ubuntu tremendously. Then ask yourself what has changed about Windows and MacOS in the last ten years.
jpr 17y ago
2011 will be the year of the Linux on the desktop.

sailormoon 17y ago

As of this very moment, MacOS X 10.6 and Windows 7. Neither of them ship with a video editor of any kind out of the box. That’s right. Of the three operating systems, Ubuntu is the only one that ships with any video editor at all. Huh? My iMac shipped with iMovie, and Windows ships with Windows Movie Maker. update: whaddyaknow, windows 7 doesn't actually ship with the movie software, you have to download it (free) from http://download.live.com/moviemaker http://download.live.com/moviemaker. Still.

ZeroGravitas 17y ago
Technically your iMac came with that iLife software preloaded, it didn't come with the OS. If you had an older iMac and bought an upgrade for the OS then you'd have to buy the upgrades for iLife separately. (You almost always got a game too, again that wouldn't be there if you bought the OS itself).
- sailormoon 17y ago
  What you say is true, but it's splitting hairs really. The fact is that unless actively deleted, every mac has video editing software installed from the day it was delivered. Still, I have to concede that although it is present, it was not actually shipped with the OS. It's a pretty lame boast that has to be laden with so many caveats, though.

lwhi 17y ago

I had huge problems with my proprietary nvidia driver and the new nouveau drivers (which replaced nv). Because of this, the experience of upgrading was very painful. It's fine now - but, on the surface, there really isn't much difference to karmic.

frou_dh 17y ago

Not saying I could do any better, but all things visual just can't seem to shake a decidedly amateur quality level. Perhaps an empty desktop looks good, apart from the Firefox icon scraping the top pixel of the screen, but open a few applications... http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9595/fffb.png http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9595/fffb.png

ApolloRising 17y ago

The release is quite nice but not perfect - still can't rotate the monitors 90 degrees for vertical alignment unless you go in and manually edit the files instead of the gui