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I literally just addressed both of those points. Sticked posts are mod tools. They didn't do anything else. You literally pointed out exactly what I did. >It's

I literally just addressed both of those points. Sticked posts are mod tools. They didn't do anything else. You literally pointed out exactly what I did. >It's not a global change to everybody. It's only for that one specific subreddit. Again, I already pointed this out. >Then why not apply it to every subreddit? Once again, in my reply to you: >consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community. Other subreddits use them for the designed purpose. For example sports related subreddits will use sticked posts for currently running games, etc. /r/The_Donald used mod stickies to rally the community behind one post on a near daily basis with the express purpose of getting it to the front page. Notice that they can still sticky posts, it just won't show up on /r/all. The community moderators found a loophole in reddit's system and the admins stopped the abuse. Presumably, this was not done to other subreddits because they don't abuse the tool with the express purpose of antagonizing the rest of the community.

rfrank 10y ago
So not using a tool in the way that the designer intends constitutes abuse now? An interesting perspective for a community with hacker in the name.
- koolba 10y ago
  Haha. Exactly. They're using it exactly as it was intended. Arguably, they're just better at using it.
- justinlaster 10y ago
  That is a completely disingenuous take on what was stated. The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner, which is obviously not what it is designed for. Other subreddits use the mod tool in various ways that don't have anything to do with the explicit purpose of stickied posts, which I pointed out, but notice I didn't label that as abuse.
  - rfrank 10y ago
    > The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner I don't think that's true, I think you just don't like the content.
    - justinlaster 10y ago
      The admins and a sizable portion, if not the majority, of reddit think it's true. It's also odd that you seem to forget that the content in question was specifically and continually addressed to the rest of the community in an often aggressive manner. Hardly any active and constructive discussion, political or otherwise, took place on those threads. Indeed it's hard for that to ever happen when your mods immediately ban anyone who doesn't fit a certain mold. Notice that after the tool was limited, the frequency at which posts show up on the front page was severely decreased. The posts were not being upvoted because of the content, they were being upvoted specifically to get the thread to the front page and often with no constructive purpose.
      - rfrank 10y ago
        Yes, and that's why they make rules that only impact the_donald, which in turn encourages the_donald to lash out. Because they are being singled out for censorship. I think you've got a pretty selective memory of sticked threads in the_donald, but whatever. Should they be nice to a community that consistently calls it the_dipshit, etc, and whose administrators continually make changes to limit the reach of their voice, and their voice alone? The sticky change came in conjunction with limiting the number of posts it was possible to have on the front page, and a few others. Saying the change to sticky policy is what's keeping the_donald posts off the front page of /r/all would be incorrect.
        justinlaster 10y ago
        You can stop being dishonest at anytime now. Your timeline is backwards. They were not singled out for "censorship" before their abuse. That doesn't even make sense. Again, please notice the immediate effect of having the tool taken away from the mods. Hardly anything is organically upvoted from that subreddit anymore. >Should they be nice to a community that consistently calls it the_dipshit Why are you going to purposefully ignore why they have that reputation? This is like having a guy in the group that continually does annoying or obnoxious things, gets told off and then tells everyone else to "chill." >the number of posts it was possible to have on the front page, and a few others. Which was global. >Saying the change to sticky policy is what's keeping the_donald posts off the front page of /r/all would be incorrect. Except it is not. They do not reach top spots on /r/all anymore. We're talking about single posts, not the number of posts, but they don't reach as high as they used to.
- Terr_ 10y ago
  Vote manipulation is against the rules regardless of what tool you use. They just used stickies as their tool.
  - rfrank 10y ago
    Stickying a new post so users see / vote on it faster is vote manipulation? Doesn't seem to be the case per reddit itself. [1] 1. https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205192985 https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205192985
    - Terr_ 10y ago
      Oh FFS, did you even read the link!? Here, the last bullet point: > Forming or joining a group that votes together, either on a specific post, a user's posts, posts from a domain, etc. That perfectly describes what was going on with moderators leading the mob by stickying dozens of posts per day, directing them towards their brigading targets.
      - rfrank 10y ago
        So every sub is vote manipulating by nature of being a group that votes together on specific posts? I see. Don't break the site from the sidebar would have been a better option.
        Terr_ 10y ago
        "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his internet-ego depends on his not understanding it." If you refuse to see the distinction between vote-manipulation and organic vote behavior, then I think we're done here.
        rfrank 10y ago
        "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his internet-ego depends on his not understanding it." If you refuse to see that I simply disagree with the fact their stickying constitutes vote-manipulation, and assume I'm arguing in bad faith because I don't hold the same viewpoint as you, then I think we're done here.

rfrank 10y ago

So not using a tool in the way that the designer intends constitutes abuse now? An interesting perspective for a community with hacker in the name.

koolba 10y ago
Haha. Exactly. They're using it exactly as it was intended. Arguably, they're just better at using it.
justinlaster 10y ago
That is a completely disingenuous take on what was stated. The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner, which is obviously not what it is designed for. Other subreddits use the mod tool in various ways that don't have anything to do with the explicit purpose of stickied posts, which I pointed out, but notice I didn't label that as abuse.
- rfrank 10y ago
  > The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner I don't think that's true, I think you just don't like the content.
  - justinlaster 10y ago
    The admins and a sizable portion, if not the majority, of reddit think it's true. It's also odd that you seem to forget that the content in question was specifically and continually addressed to the rest of the community in an often aggressive manner. Hardly any active and constructive discussion, political or otherwise, took place on those threads. Indeed it's hard for that to ever happen when your mods immediately ban anyone who doesn't fit a certain mold. Notice that after the tool was limited, the frequency at which posts show up on the front page was severely decreased. The posts were not being upvoted because of the content, they were being upvoted specifically to get the thread to the front page and often with no constructive purpose.
    - rfrank 10y ago
      Yes, and that's why they make rules that only impact the_donald, which in turn encourages the_donald to lash out. Because they are being singled out for censorship. I think you've got a pretty selective memory of sticked threads in the_donald, but whatever. Should they be nice to a community that consistently calls it the_dipshit, etc, and whose administrators continually make changes to limit the reach of their voice, and their voice alone? The sticky change came in conjunction with limiting the number of posts it was possible to have on the front page, and a few others. Saying the change to sticky policy is what's keeping the_donald posts off the front page of /r/all would be incorrect.
      - justinlaster 10y ago
        You can stop being dishonest at anytime now. Your timeline is backwards. They were not singled out for "censorship" before their abuse. That doesn't even make sense. Again, please notice the immediate effect of having the tool taken away from the mods. Hardly anything is organically upvoted from that subreddit anymore. >Should they be nice to a community that consistently calls it the_dipshit Why are you going to purposefully ignore why they have that reputation? This is like having a guy in the group that continually does annoying or obnoxious things, gets told off and then tells everyone else to "chill." >the number of posts it was possible to have on the front page, and a few others. Which was global. >Saying the change to sticky policy is what's keeping the_donald posts off the front page of /r/all would be incorrect. Except it is not. They do not reach top spots on /r/all anymore. We're talking about single posts, not the number of posts, but they don't reach as high as they used to.
Terr_ 10y ago
Vote manipulation is against the rules regardless of what tool you use. They just used stickies as their tool.
- rfrank 10y ago
  Stickying a new post so users see / vote on it faster is vote manipulation? Doesn't seem to be the case per reddit itself. [1] 1. https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205192985 https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205192985
  - Terr_ 10y ago
    Oh FFS, did you even read the link!? Here, the last bullet point: > Forming or joining a group that votes together, either on a specific post, a user's posts, posts from a domain, etc. That perfectly describes what was going on with moderators leading the mob by stickying dozens of posts per day, directing them towards their brigading targets.
    - rfrank 10y ago
      So every sub is vote manipulating by nature of being a group that votes together on specific posts? I see. Don't break the site from the sidebar would have been a better option.
      - Terr_ 10y ago
        "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his internet-ego depends on his not understanding it." If you refuse to see the distinction between vote-manipulation and organic vote behavior, then I think we're done here.
        rfrank 10y ago
        "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his internet-ego depends on his not understanding it." If you refuse to see that I simply disagree with the fact their stickying constitutes vote-manipulation, and assume I'm arguing in bad faith because I don't hold the same viewpoint as you, then I think we're done here.